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Carlo de Pace
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« Dato: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 16:09 » |
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Hello, I'm an italian student of History of Arts. I'm conducting a reaserch on Emil Itzig Levin Jacobsen. He was an amateur danish art historian, who made interesting reaserch of northern italian Art. I'm looking for any kind of news about him, but in particular I would like to know if he still have some heir in Danemark, or anywhere else in the world. What I already find out about him and could be useful for the research is: - date of birth (Copenhagen 1849) and death (Nice 1914) - he was a son of a typographer - he married Rosalie Rosenfeld in 1884 - he had 2 daughter - for a short time he opened a distillery - in 1887 he left Denmark and lived in different contry in Europe: Italy, France and Spain - from 1894 he get involved in study history of arts I'm trying with all my efforts to get more news about him, but its really difficul for me because all the documents are in danish! So any kind of help or suggestion is welcome. Thank a lot for helping me. All the Best Carlo de Pace email: colibrier@yahoo.it
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« Sidste ændring: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 16:16 af Carlo de Pace »
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Jesper Skov
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« Svar #1 Dato: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 16:14 » |
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Could be
kbhv, København (Staden), Boldhusgade, Boldhusgade Matr. 224, 2. Sal, 6, FT-1880, C8593 Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested: Sophie Jacobsen 71 Enke Husmoder Kjøbenhavn Barenth Joseph Jacobsen 73 Ugift Husmoder fhv. Landmand, Enke Jacobsens Svoger Emil Levin Jacobsen 31 Ugift Kjøbmand, Søn af Enke Jacobsen Kjøbenhavn Axel Levin Jacobsen 23 Ugift Kontorist, Søn af Enke Jacobsen Kjøbenhavn Kathrine Bodil Frederiksen 29 Ugift Tjenestepige Kjøbenhavn
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Jesper Skov
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Lissa Pedersen
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« Svar #2 Dato: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 16:19 » |
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Hi Carlo, Do you have this from Familysearch: EMIL ITZIG LEVIN JACOBSEN Pedigree Male Event(s): Birth: 24 JAN 1849 Mosiac Congregation, Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn, Denmark Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: LEVIN JOSEPH JACOBSEN Family Mother: SOPHIE POLACK Rosalie is here in 1880: kbhv, København (Staden), Nytorv, Nytorv 11, 85, , 41, FT-1880 Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place: Isidor Rosenfeld 67 Gift Cantor ?? Helene Rosenfeld 65 Gift Husmoder København Leopold Rosenfeld 29 Ugift Komponist, Musiklærer København Rosalia Rosenfeld 28 Ugift (unmarried) Frøken (Miss) København Oline Dorthea Olsen 22 Ugift Tjenestepige København On www.ddd.dda.dk - also in English - you will find a number of Rosenfeld(t), in e.g. the 1880 census. Here you will find Emil's brother Julius Joseph LevinJacobsen and his family - ancestors/descendants: http://riise.tenten.dk/individual.php?pid=I2754&ged=indexThis is Emil's brother Axel Levin Jacobsen, who died in Copenhagen - his wife Selma: Axel Levin Jacobsen vekselmægler (broker) Born: 01-01-1856 Place of birth: København Dead: 21-04-1904 Address when he died: Holmens Kanal 5, 1 (In Copenhagen) NB!! Approx. date of birth Spouse: Selma Born: 11-09-1852 Place of birth: Bremen (in Germany) Lissa
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« Sidste ændring: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 19:19 af Lissa Pedersen »
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Inger Toudal
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« Svar #3 Dato: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 16:32 » |
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From the 1885 census:
København, København (Staden), Øster Søgade (Lige numre), Nørrevold Kvarter, Østersøgade 32, (Rørholmsgade 23, Ole Suhrsgade 24) Forhus 4. Sal, 10, FT-1885, C8141 Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place: Emil Jacobsen 36 Gift [married] Husfader [head of household] Litterat [man of letters, litterateur] Kjøbenhavn Rosalia Jacobsen 26 Gift Husmoder [housewife] Kjøbenhavn Dorthea Christine Petersen 24 Ugift [single] Tyende [servant] Odense
- and the 1850 census:
København, København (Staden), Frimand Kvarter, Frimands Kvarter, Amagertorv 2, stuen, 9, FT-1850, C1436 Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place: Levin Jacobsen 45 Gift bogtrykker [printer] Kjøbenhavn Sophia Jacobsen 41 Gift konen [wife] Do. Baruch Pawlsem 41 Ugift broder [brother] Do. Julius Jacobsen 4 Ugift deres børn [their children] Do. Emil Jacobsen 1 Ugift deres børn Do. Stine Clausen 30 Ugift tjenestepige [maid] Do.
Best regards, Inger Toudal
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Anne Mortensen
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« Svar #4 Dato: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 17:47 » |
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Slettet. Mener jeg læste hans navn ved at google og der var linket til DIS.
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« Sidste ændring: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 18:16 af Anne Mortensen »
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Venlig hilsen Anne Mortensen - 2770
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Lissa Pedersen
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« Svar #5 Dato: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 17:51 » |
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Hej Anne,
Det var mig, som startede den tråd, som du henviser til. Det er IKKE samme personer, så måske skal du slette dit indlæg!?
Anne, hvis du læser længere nede i indlægget, så var det ikke samme person.
Mvh Lissa
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« Sidste ændring: Lørdag 23 10 2010, 18:23 af Lissa Pedersen »
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Carlo de Pace
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« Svar #6 Dato: Søndag 24 10 2010, 15:28 » |
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Thanks a lot everybody for the prompt help!
There is no way on yours opinion to trace the decendancy chart of Emil Itzig Levin Jacobsen?
In the biography I found it's said that after 1887 he never came back in Denmark, but maybe he or his daughters could appear in one of the succesive census, you never know! When took place the other census in Denmark between the end of XIX century and begin of the XXth? The fact is that there is no way of getting the name of the daughters through the web, do you have any ideas how i can find those?
Lots of thanks again
All the Best
Carlo de Pace
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« Svar #7 Dato: Søndag 24 10 2010, 22:34 » |
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Hi Carlo,
Not very easy to find his daughters, when you don't know their names.
After 1885 (1885 only for Copenhagen) there were censuses: 1890, 1901, 1906, 1911, 1916, 1921, 1925, 1930, 1940, 1950 and perhaps 1960. The latest censuses you will have to see at the National Archives, they are not (yet) on the net, and you will only be allowed to see the latest ones, if you sign a paper saying that you will only use the info for personal purposes. The problem with Copenhagen is also, where do you start looking for the persons, there are sooo many streets.
Lissa
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Inger Toudal
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« Svar #8 Dato: Mandag 25 10 2010, 10:36 » |
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Hello Carlo, The following census in 1890 is not transcribed, so it's not searchable. To find a person in Copenhagen, you'll have to know in which street he/she lived - or you can spend months searching and maybe still end up with nothing. I link to this information in Danish which I found on the Internet: http://www.rosekamp.dk/DBL_All/DBL_11_text.pdfNothing new for you, I guess, but just for anybody else to read. Where do you have the information about the two daughters from? Do you know if they were born in Denmark? Best regards, Inger
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Carlo de Pace
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« Svar #9 Dato: Mandag 25 10 2010, 14:41 » |
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Hi Inger,
thanks for the pdf document you send me. On page 288 I found other information about his life. A passage i didn't understand is this:
Hovedsagen for ham i hans kunstvidenskabelige Studium var Stilbestemmelsen af det enkelte Værk: »Kunstforsk- ning er Botanik. At der vokser Palmer i Indien, gør ikke Norges Birkeskove mindre skønne«. Citatet, der er oversat fra Tysk (intet af hans kunsthistoriske Produktion er kommet paa Dansk), har en Skarphed, som J. nok kunde formulere i en Indledning, men som han ikke formaaede at bevare i den egentlige Behandling af Emnet; hans saglige Fremstilling bevæger sig i korte Afsnit tæt forbi de enkelte Værker; der mangler Sammenhæng, og man kan ikke fri- kende hans Arbejder for et noget dilettantisk Præg.
Google translation, translated it bad as:
The main thing for him in his art scientific Study was Ask The determination of the individual work: "Art Research tion is Botany. That grows Palmer in India doesn't Norway Birch forests less beautiful '. The quote, translated from German (no of his art historical production has come in Danish) has a Sharpness that J. might well draw in an Introduction, but he was unable to maintain the proper treatment of the subject; His objective Manufacturing moves in short Title to pass close to the individual works; lacking coherence, and one can not free- know his work for a somewhat amateurish character.
Could you make it more clear?
The information I found about the daugther I get from this book: L'”Archivio storico dell' arte " e le origini della "Kunstwissenschaft" in Italia, a cura di G. C. Sciolla e F. Varallo, pag. 220, Alessandria 1999.. Where is mentioned that he had two daughter. But there is that there is no information if they were born in Danemark. But because he left Danemark in 1887 it could be that they were born abroad. I alredy check also in the emigrats database but ther is no mention about the Jacobsen family...
Best regards
Carlo de Pace
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