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« Dato: Søndag 15 04 2012, 20:07 » |
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AO: 1783-1814 Torkilstrup, Falster Nørre, Maribo ops 27 no. 7 (bottom right corner)
Could someone please translate this for me?
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« Svar #1 Dato: Søndag 15 04 2012, 20:28 » |
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Hi Robin.
I read, in danish:
6te Søndag eft. Paaske d: 4de Maij døbt Indsidder i Taarup Lars Ludvigsen og Hustrue Gier- trud Rasmus Datter Deres Datter Johanne, født d: 30te Apriil. Baaren af Pigen Bodil Jørgens Datter tienende Gmd. Christen Johnsen. Test: Ungk: Peder Johnsen, Jørgen Olsen, Hans Rasmusen, Pigerne Karen Hans Datter, og Maren Anders Datt. Alle af Taa- rup.
Translated: 6th Sunday after Easter May 4th baptized Johanne, daughter of smallholder in Taarup Lars Ludvigsen and wife Gertrud Rasmusdatter, born April 30th. Hold by girl Bodil Jørgensdatter, maid at farmer Christen Johnsen. Withnesses: Bachelor Peder Johnsen, Jørgen Olsen, Hans Rasmussen, girls Karen Hansdatter and Maren Andersdatter. All from Taarup.
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« Svar #2 Dato: Søndag 15 04 2012, 20:43 » |
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Thanks Jens! Not who I was looking for unfortunately.
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« Svar #3 Dato: Mandag 16 04 2012, 20:32 » |
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Could someone translate this one for me please?
AO: 1749-1843 Falkerslev, Falster Sønder, Maribo ops 93, second 1004 (I think there are two 1004's, it's the one that begins with Rasmus Pedersen Jeppesen)
I believe it's the baptismal record for an Ellen Margaretha - could she possibly later be known as Ellen Marie?
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« Svar #4 Dato: Mandag 16 04 2012, 23:28 » |
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I have too many holes to render a transcription of the baptism.
Pursuing your question, I did find an Ellen Maria Rasmusdatter from Falkerslev confirmed in April 1806, aged 15, apparently not yet 15½ (opslag 178, confirmand #18). Outright changes in given names and entry errors in the parish records aren't unthinkable. The latter comes to mind as the godmother is a Margareta.
mvh -Ralph
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« Svar #5 Dato: Tirsdag 17 04 2012, 00:35 » |
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FamilySearch.com (which isn't always reliable) shows the following info:
Ellen Margaretta Rasmussen Christening: 18 DEC 1791 Falkerslev, Maribo, Denmark Father: Rasmus Pedersen Jeppesen Mother: Anna Nielsen Spouse: Hans Hansen OR Palle Marriage: 06 JUN 1817 Falkerslev, Maribo, Denmark
I think it would be the same person as shown here:
Maribo, Falsters Nørre, Torkilstrup, Sullerup Bye, , en Gaard, 115, FT-1834 Hans Hansen Palle 44 Gift Gaardmand Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter 43 Gift hans Kone [Hans Hansen Palle] Karen Hansdatter 16 Ugift deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] Rasmus Hansen 15 Ugift deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] Kjersten Hansdatter 10 Ugift deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] Hans Hansen 6 Ugift deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] Peder Hansen 2 Ugift deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter]
Maribo, Falsters Sønder, Falkerslev, Falqverslev Bye, , , 10, FT-1801 Rasmus Pedersen 32 Gift Huusbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer Ane Nielsdatter 33 Gift Hans kone Ellen Rasmusdatter 10 Ugift Deres børn Niels Rasmusen 1 Ugift Deres børn Hans Pedersen 18 Ugift Tienestefolk Hans Jørgensen 18 Ugift Tienestefolk Dorthe Nielsdatter 30 Ugift Tienestefolk
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« Svar #6 Dato: Tirsdag 17 04 2012, 04:11 » |
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The marriage is Falkerslev 1813-1833, opslag 76 #3.
To put it mildly, it is hard to read. I do read that Hans Hansen is the son of Hans Palle and is nominally 26 years old, born in 1791.
mvh -Ralph
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« Svar #7 Dato: Tirsdag 17 04 2012, 05:17 » |
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Thanks Ralph and John! I had found the confirmation and census info, but hadn't been able to find the marriage record. Thank you!
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« Svar #8 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 04:55 » |
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Hi! I have another one that I would greatly appreciate if someone could translate. AO: 1750-1814 Bromme, Alsted, Sorø ops 136 2nd full entry on left for Christian Thomasen and Bodil Cathrine Nielsdatter.
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« Svar #9 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 06:11 » |
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A transcription:
Anno 1801 den 25. Juli indfandte sig Ungkarl og Gaardmand Christian Thomasen af Rude Eskildstrup og afgangen Gaardmand Søren Sørensens Enke, Bodil Cathrine Niels Datter sammesteds, og begærede at indtræde i Ægteskab sammen, til hvilken Ægt? ogsaa frem stillede sig som Forlovere Gaardmænder Christian Berthelsen og Hans Nielsen, begge af Eskildstrup. Dette til Be- kræftelse under vore hænders Underskrift Munkebjærgbye Datum ut supra
[their initials, and spelled out by person entering]
Christian Thomasen, Bodil Cathrine Nielsdatter, Hans Nielsen, Christian Berthelsen
I.e. Christian Thomasen betrothed to Søren Sørensen's widow, Bodil, with guarantors.
mvh -Ralph
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« Svar #10 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 19:25 » |
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Thanks Ralph! I was hoping it would give me some parent's names. Oh well.
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« Svar #11 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 00:38 » |
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The pair are a bit hard to find in the 1801 census, but this is Bodil:
Soroe, Alsted, Munke Bjergby, (Rude) Eskildstrup, , 25, FT-1801, B7324 Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested: Bodil Catrine Nielsdatter 39 Enke(mand) Kirsten Sørensdatter 13 Ugift Peder Sørensen 10 Ugift Magrete Sørensdatter 7 Ugift Christian Thommesen 24 Ugift Christian Kiøbenhavner 26 Ugift Peder Olsen 19 Ugift Niels Rasmussen 24 Ugift
Christian T. in the betrothal is nominally a 'Gaardmand' of Rude Eskildstrup, and yet?
Søren Sørensen isn't easy to find in 1787. Kirsten Sørensen is probably born in 1789, so there may be a narrow window for Bodil's marriage to him. There may be a lead to Bodil's home parish in Family Search.
mvh -Ralph
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« Svar #12 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 03:23 » |
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No wonder Bodil is elusive. She may be the one married at St. Peders in Næstved on November 23, 1787. She had enough status to be moving fairly freely at the end of the eighteenth century.
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« Svar #13 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 04:40 » |
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No wonder Bodil is elusive. She may be the one married at St. Peders in Næstved on November 23, 1787. She had enough status to be moving fairly freely at the end of the eighteenth century.
mvh -Ralph
Okay, what do you mean by "had enough status"? How would she have gotten from there to Munke Bjergby? Did families travel that much back then? I can't seem to find her in the census in 1787 in Præstø amt.
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« Svar #14 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 05:25 » |
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According to 1801 census, she was born in 1762. According to her burial record (AO: 1814-1826 Munke Bjergby, Alsted, Sorø ops 151 #2), she was born in either 1763 or 1773 - I'm not sure what the age is supposed to be. It was corrected, but I don't know which is the original and which is the corrected age. I'm leaning toward 1763 because of 1801 census.
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« Svar #15 Dato: Søndag 06 05 2012, 14:43 » |
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Re: status.
If your family had been running or even owning a farm or manor, you could more freely marry someone outside of your parish. And lands that belonged to the larger manors or institutions were often scattered, even beyond one amt or region. So Bodil may well have married first in Næstved.
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« Svar #16 Dato: Tirsdag 08 05 2012, 03:52 » |
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Thanks Ralph!
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