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David
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« Dato: Mandag 09 04 2012, 03:27 »

I am looking for information on two ancestors who appear to have been Danes living in the west indies. 

The first is my 4th great grandfather, Frederick C Andersen.  I think it was Frederick Christian (one of the children had that name) I think he was born around 1790-1800.  His name appears, mostly as F. C. Andersen on baptismal and confirmation records of children from 1825-1837.  He owned two properties in Christiansted.  He was listed as a policeman in Christiansted St Croix in 1833 on his daughter's baptismal record.  His last known child was born in June 1837 and FC Andersen does not appear on the 1841 St Croix census, so he may have died.  I have found no other references for him.  In the early 1800's, most of the police in St Croix were Danes, living at the barracks.  He was probably born in Denmark but I have no idea where.  Any idea where I might look for information?

The second was my 3rd great grandfather, who had 4 children with FC Andersen's daughter, Sophia Amalia Frederica Andersen.  The only record of his name is either A. C. Conrad or C. A. Conrad.  Since their son was named Christian Andreas (and he named 3 sons Christian Andreas), I believe his name was Christian Andreas as well.  While he had children from  1854-1861, he appears in no St Croix censuses (there were censuses in 1841, 46, 50, 55, and 60), but Sophia and the children were.  From this, I can assume that he didn't live full time on the island, and may have been a merchant.  We believe he was a Dane, but I cannot confirm that.  Any suggestions on whether there are Danish records of merchantmen to the islands?

Thanks for any suggestions,
Dave Lynch
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Laila Olsen
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« Svar #1 Dato: Søndag 22 04 2012, 10:20 »

Dear DAve,

In Ryberg's Inhabitants of the West Indies I can find No such person. If you have further info - please don't hesitate - but bring it our knowledge.
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Hilsen Laila

Gl. Maribo amt, Gl. Ramsø herred, Gl. Slet herred, Gl. Præstø amt, Gl. Thisted amt og Kronobergs Len i Sverige samt Bergen i Norge og Oulu og Kajani len i Finland.
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David
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« Svar #2 Dato: Tirsdag 24 04 2012, 03:07 »

No, I've been through Ryberg's and many other sources.  I don't know much about them.

C. A. Conrad appears in voter's lists on St Croix around 1850 and appears to have been present for some baptisms and confirmations of his children.  He had children with Sophia Amalia Frederica Andersen (b. 1825), and is listed in his daughter's (Anna Sophia's) baptismal record as a merchant.  According to the entries in three daughters' baptism records he was born in 1801-1802, and was Lutheran. I can find no land record, no baptism or death record, and he does not appear in any of the St Croix Censuses.  He was still around to at least 1861, where he was listed as residing in St Croix.  No idea when he died, but I may have a photo of him (can't tell if it is him), which puts him alive around 1880-1890.  He may have been from Denmark, but I don't know where.

Frederick C. Andersen (Sophia Amalia's father) also appears in no censuses, but he may have died before 1841.  He did own land, two properties in Christiansted.  He had 4 children with Elizabeth Scott (b. 1800).  In 1833, on Maria Andersen's baptismal record, he is listed as a police officer.  If so, he would likely be Danish.  Perhaps there are records of Government employees from Denmark.

These are two particularly difficult road blocks.
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Laila Olsen
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« Svar #3 Dato: Onsdag 25 04 2012, 11:34 »

Hi Dave,

In the census 1855 I find:

Name:    Sophia F. Andersen    Sex:    F
Title:       Age:    29
Property:    Nr.18 B.    Quarter:    Christiansted Kings Street
Street:    Kings Street   Owner:    Elizabeth Siott
Year:    1855   Entry no:    R0336

and she fit ins very nice,


in the cencus 1880 I find:

Name:    Sophia Andersen    Sex:    F
Title:    House keeper   Age:    52
Property:    18    Quarter:    Christiansted Kings Street
Street:       Owner:    Sophia Andersens Children
Year:    1880   Entry no:    R0127

Name:    Sophia Andersen    Sex:    F
Title:    House keeper   Age:    52
Property:    18    Quarter:    Christiansted Kings Street
Street:       Owner:    Sophia Andersens Children
Street:       Number of families:    5
Household no:    53   Place of birth:    St. Croix
Year of settlement:       Religion:    Lutheran/Danish
Marital status:    Unmarried   Family status:    
Year:    1880   Entry no:    R0127

18 , Christiansted Kings Street, , Sophia Andersens Children , 1880,
Name:    Sex:    Occupation:    Age:
Sophia Andersen    F   House keeper   52
Anna Conrad    F   Daughter   26
Elizabeth Conrad    F   Daughter   24
Andreas Conrad    M   Son clerk   22
Mary Conrad    F   Daughter   20

This Sophia should been born abt 1828 - but she is worth looking at - ages at censuses are not always precise. And the surnames of the children is Conrad ........

And then I find this Conrad:

Name:    Christian Andreas Conrad    Sex:    M
Title:    con?? of ??   Age:    42
Property:       Quarter:    Christiansted Strand Street
Street:    Strandgade (Strand Street)   Owner:    Andreas Conrad
Year:    1901   Entry no:    R0074

could he be a son named after his father - he should been born apprx 1859 ....

and Andreas Conrad with family in the census 1890 - possibly the same person.

The most reliable records is the travelling in and out of the island which was kept by the authorities of the port.

I have been looking in these records for my own ancestors, and it lists the ships arriving or departing and the persons aboard as they are controlling the documents a.s.o

This is a paintaking effort - one have to know when or at least the apprx time of arrival/departure - and there were a lot of ships arriving and departing the islands. You see - the ships are listed in order of date and shipname. And the records are in Copenhagen state archives.

I will look forward meeting you there  .....





   
   


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Hilsen Laila

Gl. Maribo amt, Gl. Ramsø herred, Gl. Slet herred, Gl. Præstø amt, Gl. Thisted amt og Kronobergs Len i Sverige samt Bergen i Norge og Oulu og Kajani len i Finland.
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David
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« Svar #4 Dato: Torsdag 26 04 2012, 05:51 »

Yes, this is the right family.  Perhaps you see my dillemma.  I cannot locate the father of either of these families.  I have copies of many of the ship lists and have not located anything as of yet.  I also have been looking through St. Croix Voter lists from the time (1849, 1850's) and have found A. C. Conrad listed there.  In order to vote you need to be a resident, although I find no property listed and no census (I've looked through all of the St. Croix and a couple of the St. Thomas).  There are other requirements, I have to find the list.

Sadly, getting to Copenhagen is difficult for those of us in the US!!

Thanks for trying and if you have other hints, I would be most interested.
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Carol Haagensen
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« Svar #5 Dato: Tirsdag 01 05 2012, 04:10 »

HI!
If he was danish, he would have attended the Danish Lutheran Church, and even if he wasn't a regular church goer, the parish priests were responsible for keeping the "vital statistics" of the danish inhabitants.  So they would have recorded coming and goings into the parish area, births deaths and marriages.  If you have reason to believe that anyone in your family married into an English or Spanish family, the same kinds of records were kept by the Catholic church on the islands.

Find the nearest Family History Center to you, through the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, then you can order the parish records for the year(s) that you want.  The parish registers will list when someone took communion, had birth, deaths, or marriages.  Births will list the parents and godparents (usually).  If you are not a member of the LDS church, you can still view the films through a microfilm reader at their genealogy library.  It costs about fifty-cents to a dollar to get a film.  Call the churches near you, and they will help you order the film, view it, and make copies of any pages you find that are relevant to your family.

I would also go through the census records of Copenhagen from http://www.ddd.dda.dk/  A lot of the families who  lived on St. Croix or St. Thomas had some roots in Copenhagen, or went back and forth between the west indies and Copenhagen.  If you find them on a Denmark census or any of the family, then that may help you find the parish they were from.  Then, you'll be able to find a lot of information that you need farther back.  I won't get more detailed about searching Denmark records that are online, though, until/unless you need help with that.

It was a common practice for the danes to send their children back to Denmark to be educated.  This was especially true during and around the years of slave uprisings.  So, I've sometimes found records by doing a blanket search for a part of Denmark (say Copenhagen) with only the birthplace as "dansk vesindien" or "vestindien" or "vest indien" . . . try all three. You can narrow it down with the last name if it gets to be over 250 records returned.  For example: do a census search of Copenhagen for Andersen born in the vestindien.

Another strategy is to try the family search website.  https://www.familysearch.org/  The LDS church has transcribed many of the danish birth records, and you may get a hit there.  That also will give you the parish that you need to trace the family farther.

I've done a lot of research into the Danish West Indies since my own family was born there.  I, also, don't travel to the USVI or Denmark.  But, I got quite a bit done sitting right here in front of my computer . .  . after I found them initially from the parish registers that I mentioned earlier from the danish west indies.  If I can be of more specific help, please let me know.
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« Svar #6 Dato: Tirsdag 01 05 2012, 12:08 »

Hi.

From http://dkconsulateusvi.com/ you can download af 683 page document with inhabitants 1650 - 1825. And you can from the same link se pictures and description of all the graves.
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David
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« Svar #7 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 04:55 »


It was a common practice for the danes to send their children back to Denmark to be educated.  This was especially true during and around the years of slave uprisings.  So, I've sometimes found records by doing a blanket search for a part of Denmark (say Copenhagen) with only the birthplace as "dansk vesindien" or "vestindien" or "vest indien" . . . try all three. You can narrow it down with the last name if it gets to be over 250 records returned.  For example: do a census search of Copenhagen for Andersen born in the vestindien.


I've done a lot of research into the Danish West Indies since my own family was born there.  I, also, don't travel to the USVI or Denmark.  But, I got quite a bit done sitting right here in front of my computer . .  . after I found them initially from the parish registers that I mentioned earlier from the danish west indies.  If I can be of more specific help, please let me know.

Carol,

That's a good suggestion about the census,  I'll try.  As for the other items, I've actually obtained all the LDS microfilms from St Croix and photographed them all.  I've been through them line by line and have found very little surviving information.  I've also found nothing on FamilySearch.  I'll try the census though.

Since you are researching your family, let me know if I can help you with anyone.  I live near College Park Maryland, where the US National Archives Record Group 55 is stored so I have been researching there. 

If you are interested, I have a blog on my VI research.  It's at http://200inparadise.blogspot.com

If I can be of any assistance, my email is delynch@verizon.net

Dave
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David
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« Svar #8 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 05:08 »

Hi.

From http://dkconsulateusvi.com/ you can download af 683 page document with inhabitants 1650 - 1825. And you can from the same link se pictures and description of all the graves.

I've gone through Ryberg and they're not there.  I think they came after 1825.  The other side of my family was the van Beverhoduts, and there are a couple of pages of good info on them.  I also have seen the graves, not much, although my grandparents, Ludvig and Olga Conrad are listed there.

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David
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« Svar #9 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 05:11 »

I would also go through the census records of Copenhagen from http://www.ddd.dda.dk/  A lot of the families who  lived on St. Croix or St. Thomas had some roots in Copenhagen, or went back and forth between the west indies and Copenhagen.  If you find them on a Denmark census or any of the family, then that may help you find the parish they were from.  Then, you'll be able to find a lot of information that you need farther back.  I won't get more detailed about searching Denmark records that are online, though, until/unless you need help with that.


Well, perhaps I do need some handholding.  I went to the page and searched for the variations on vestindien as birthplace and it keeps coming back with 0 matches.  Doesn't matter if I pick one location or another, one year or all.  I must be doing something wrong. I also tried no name, Conrad, Andersen, and variations with %, all to no avail.

I have explored the Kirkebøger online, but since I don't have a parish it isn't as fruitful as one might like.

Where are you located Carol?
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Carol Haagensen
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« Svar #10 Dato: Tirsdag 08 05 2012, 08:02 »

HI, David!  I'm been so intense on a line that I've been researching, I've hardly stopped to eat.  So please forgive the delay in response.  Since you gave your email, I'll send a personal note.  --Carol
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