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« Dato: Søndag 15 04 2012, 20:07 »

AO:  1783-1814 Torkilstrup, Falster Nørre, Maribo ops 27 no. 7 (bottom right corner)

Could someone please translate this for me?

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« Svar #1 Dato: Søndag 15 04 2012, 20:28 »

Hi Robin.

I read, in danish:

6te Søndag eft. Paaske d: 4de Maij døbt Indsidder
i Taarup Lars Ludvigsen og Hustrue Gier-
trud Rasmus Datter Deres Datter Johanne,
født d: 30te Apriil. Baaren af Pigen Bodil
Jørgens Datter tienende Gmd. Christen Johnsen.
Test: Ungk: Peder Johnsen, Jørgen Olsen,
Hans Rasmusen, Pigerne Karen Hans
Datter, og Maren Anders Datt. Alle af Taa-
rup.

Translated:
6th Sunday after Easter May 4th baptized Johanne, daughter of smallholder in Taarup Lars Ludvigsen and wife Gertrud Rasmusdatter, born April 30th. Hold by girl Bodil Jørgensdatter,   maid at farmer Christen Johnsen. Withnesses: Bachelor Peder Johnsen, Jørgen Olsen, Hans Rasmussen, girls Karen Hansdatter and Maren Andersdatter. All from Taarup.

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« Svar #2 Dato: Søndag 15 04 2012, 20:43 »

Thanks Jens!  Not who I was looking for unfortunately.
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« Svar #3 Dato: Mandag 16 04 2012, 20:32 »

Could someone translate this one for me please?

AO:  1749-1843 Falkerslev, Falster Sønder, Maribo ops 93, second 1004 (I think there are two 1004's, it's the one that begins with Rasmus Pedersen Jeppesen)

I believe it's the baptismal record for an Ellen Margaretha - could she possibly later be known as Ellen Marie?

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« Svar #4 Dato: Mandag 16 04 2012, 23:28 »

I have too many holes to render a transcription of the baptism.

Pursuing your question, I did find an Ellen Maria Rasmusdatter from Falkerslev confirmed in April 1806, aged 15, apparently not yet 15½ (opslag 178, confirmand #18).  Outright changes in given names and entry errors in the parish records aren't unthinkable.  The latter comes to mind as the godmother is a Margareta.

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« Svar #5 Dato: Tirsdag 17 04 2012, 00:35 »

FamilySearch.com (which isn't always reliable) shows the following info:

Ellen Margaretta Rasmussen
Christening:  18 DEC 1791   Falkerslev, Maribo, Denmark
 Father:  Rasmus Pedersen Jeppesen
 Mother:  Anna Nielsen
 Spouse:  Hans Hansen OR Palle 
 Marriage:  06 JUN 1817   Falkerslev, Maribo, Denmark

I think it would be the same person as shown here:

Maribo, Falsters Nørre, Torkilstrup, Sullerup Bye, , en Gaard, 115, FT-1834
Hans Hansen Palle 44  Gift  Gaardmand 
Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter 43  Gift  hans Kone [Hans Hansen Palle] 
Karen Hansdatter 16  Ugift  deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] 
Rasmus Hansen 15  Ugift  deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] 
Kjersten Hansdatter 10  Ugift  deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] 
Hans Hansen 6  Ugift  deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter] 
Peder Hansen 2  Ugift  deres Børn [Hans Hansen Palle og Ellen Marie Rasmusdatter]

Maribo, Falsters Sønder, Falkerslev, Falqverslev Bye, , , 10, FT-1801
Rasmus Pedersen 32  Gift Huusbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer 
Ane Nielsdatter 33  Gift Hans kone   
Ellen Rasmusdatter 10  Ugift Deres børn   
Niels Rasmusen 1  Ugift Deres børn   
Hans Pedersen 18  Ugift Tienestefolk   
Hans Jørgensen 18  Ugift Tienestefolk   
Dorthe Nielsdatter 30  Ugift Tienestefolk


 
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« Svar #6 Dato: Tirsdag 17 04 2012, 04:11 »

The marriage is Falkerslev 1813-1833, opslag 76 #3.

To put it mildly, it is hard to read.  I do read that Hans Hansen is the son of Hans Palle and is nominally 26 years old, born in 1791.

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« Svar #7 Dato: Tirsdag 17 04 2012, 05:17 »

Thanks Ralph and John!  I had found the confirmation and census info, but hadn't been able to find the marriage record.  Thank you!
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« Svar #8 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 04:55 »

Hi!  I have another one that I would greatly appreciate if someone could translate.
AO:  1750-1814 Bromme, Alsted, Sorø ops 136 2nd full entry on left for Christian Thomasen and Bodil Cathrine Nielsdatter.

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« Svar #9 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 06:11 »

A transcription:

Anno 1801 den 25. Juli indfandte sig Ungkarl og Gaardmand Christian Thomasen
af Rude Eskildstrup og afgangen Gaardmand Søren Sørensens
Enke, Bodil Cathrine Niels Datter sammesteds, og begærede
at indtræde i Ægteskab sammen, til hvilken Ægt? ogsaa frem
stillede sig som Forlovere Gaardmænder Christian Berthelsen
og Hans Nielsen, begge af Eskildstrup.  Dette til Be-
kræftelse under vore hænders Underskrift
Munkebjærgbye Datum ut supra

[their initials, and spelled out by person entering]

Christian Thomasen, Bodil Cathrine Nielsdatter, Hans Nielsen, Christian Berthelsen

I.e. Christian Thomasen betrothed to Søren Sørensen's widow, Bodil, with guarantors.

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« Svar #10 Dato: Torsdag 03 05 2012, 19:25 »

Thanks Ralph!  I was hoping it would give me some parent's names.  Oh well.
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« Svar #11 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 00:38 »

The pair are a bit hard to find in the 1801 census, but this is Bodil:

Soroe, Alsted, Munke Bjergby, (Rude) Eskildstrup, , 25, FT-1801, B7324
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Bodil Catrine Nielsdatter 39  Enke(mand)    
Kirsten Sørensdatter 13  Ugift    
Peder Sørensen 10  Ugift    
Magrete Sørensdatter 7  Ugift    
Christian Thommesen 24  Ugift    
Christian Kiøbenhavner 26  Ugift    
Peder Olsen 19  Ugift    
Niels Rasmussen 24  Ugift

Christian T. in the betrothal is nominally a 'Gaardmand' of Rude Eskildstrup, and yet?

Søren Sørensen isn't easy to find in 1787.  Kirsten Sørensen is probably born in 1789, so there may be a narrow window for Bodil's marriage to him.  There may be a lead to Bodil's home parish in Family Search.

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« Svar #12 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 03:23 »

No wonder Bodil is elusive.  She may be the one married at St. Peders in Næstved on November 23, 1787.  She had enough status to be moving fairly freely at the end of the eighteenth century.

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« Svar #13 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 04:40 »

No wonder Bodil is elusive.  She may be the one married at St. Peders in Næstved on November 23, 1787.  She had enough status to be moving fairly freely at the end of the eighteenth century.

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Okay, what do you mean by "had enough status"?  How would she have gotten from there to Munke Bjergby?  Did families travel that much back then?  I can't seem to find her in the census in 1787 in Præstø amt.
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« Svar #14 Dato: Fredag 04 05 2012, 05:25 »

According to 1801 census, she was born in 1762.  According to her burial record (AO:  1814-1826 Munke Bjergby, Alsted, Sorø ops 151 #2), she was born in either 1763 or 1773 - I'm not sure what the age is supposed to be.  It was corrected, but I don't know which is the original and which is the corrected age.  I'm leaning toward 1763 because of 1801 census.
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« Svar #15 Dato: Søndag 06 05 2012, 14:43 »

Re: status.

If your family had been running or even owning a farm or manor, you could more freely marry someone outside of your parish.  And lands that belonged to the larger manors or institutions were often scattered, even beyond one amt or region.  So Bodil may well have married first in Næstved.

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« Svar #16 Dato: Tirsdag 08 05 2012, 03:52 »

Thanks Ralph!
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