Two questions about Karen Jørgensdatter

[George Settera]

the 1850 census has the following listing:

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Haulykke By, et Huus, 137-F2, FT-1850, B9420
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Niels Jørgensen   35   Gift      Inderste og dagleier, Huusfader   Birket Sogn, Maribo Amt
Karen Jørgensdatter   27   Gift      hans Kone [Niels Jørgensen]   Maribo
Jens Peter Jensen   3   -      deres Barn [Niels Jørgensen og Karen Jørgensdatter]   her i Sognet

Question 1:  Is this the same Karen as in this 1845 census?


Samtlige personer i husstanden

Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Vriet, 26.gaard, 40, FT-1845, A4022
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Jørgen Jensen   72   gift      gaardmand   Maribo A., Østofte
Birthe Kirstine Andersd.   63   gift      konen [Jørgen Jensen]   Maribo A., Østofte
Anders Jørgenssen   34   gift      søn, som forestaaer avlsbruget [Jørgen Jensen og Birthe Kirstine Andersd.]   Maribo A., Østofte
Ane   32   gift      konen [Anders Jørgensen]   Halsted A., Stokkemarke
Ane Margrethe Andersd.   2   ugift      barn [Anders Jørgensen og Ane]   Maribo A., Østofte
Jens Andersen   1   ugift      barn [Anders Jørgensen og Ane]   Maribo A., Østofte
Karen Jørgensd.   22   ugift      datter af Jørgen Jensen   Maribo A., Østofte

Question 2:  Why isn't Karen and Niels child named Jens Peter Nielsen?

[Bente Wanning]

Jens Peter Jensen´s birth 16. February 1847
he was a "slegfredsbarn" means his parent was not married, but just lived together. I cannot read parents names.


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=159417#159417,26807799
opslag/page 10

[Bente Wanning]

At Jens Peter Jensen confirmation is his father mentioned as Jens Larsen. And his mother married Niels Jørgensen. So that is why his last name is Jensen.

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=159418#159418,26808182

Yes I am sure it is the same Karen i both Cencus 1845 and 1850.

Wedding of Niels Jørgensen and Karen Jørgensdatter 19. November 1847 in Church of Østofte

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=159417#159417,26807963
opslag/page  174 nr 13

[George Settera]

Bente,

Many thanks.  I guess I should have thought of that reason for the name.  So Jens Peter was about 9 mos. old when his mother married.  Good for Niels!!

I can't find anything in the census after 1850 for either Karen or Niels.  I have only tried in Maribo co.  Any suggestions about how I can widen the search?

George Settera

[Bente Wanning]

 

Try here

http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/search

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel.asp


https://familysearch.org/search

[George Settera]

I have already tried these.  Thanks, anyway.

[Ralph Rasmussen]

The fact that the family doesn't appear in the departures for 1850-1855, and apparently not in the 1855 census, is suggestive of their departure from Denmark. 

The departures are here, opslag/lookup 66-85:  ao.salldata.dk/vis.php?bsid=206861&side=85&kb=Kirkebog:%20Maribo,%20Fuglse,%20Østofte%201845-1857%20TA%20(HM)&height=667

Do you pick up Jens Peder Jensen some years later in another country?

[George Settera]

Thanks to all of you.

Would you be so kind as to translate the wedding entry for Niels and Karen?  The location is included in Bente's note:  Kontraministerialbog Østofte 1845-1858, p. 174, #13

I also am looking for any mention of her nephew, Anders Jørgensen, leaving the parish.  Could you translate the following Anfang entries:  Hovedministerialbog, Østofte, 1858-1875 TA, p. 31, #17 and p. 33, #57?

Thanks in advance,

George Settera

[Ralph Rasmussen]

I read this much of the marriage:

Bachelor Niels Jørgensen in Havlykke, age 31
Miss Karen Jørgensdatter of Vriet, 24
guarantors Jørgen Christensen Hjxxxxx and villager Ixxxxx of Vriet [Peder Jensen in main register]
Married at the church November 19th
Banns first read October 17, 1847

Neither of the familes leaving the parish is of Anders Jørgensen.

[George Settera]

Thanks, Ralph

[Maja Borg]

This looks like the family:

Maribo, Fuglse, Østofte, Haulykke, et hus, 17, FT-1860, B6467
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Mads Jørgensen   44   Gift   husmand og dagleier      Birket
Karen Lusie Jørgensen   37   Gift   hans kone      Maribo
Jens Peter Jensen   13   Ugift   hendes søn      Østofte

And Karen in 1890:

Maribo, Fuglse, Bandholm, et hus, Reersnæs, Bandholm sogn, Maribo amt, , 15, FT-1890, C9637
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Poul Pedersen   56   Gift   husfader   arbejdsmand   Østofte Sogn, Maribo Amt
Antonette Pedersen født Christensen   54   Gift   husmoder   hans hustru   Sodinge
Peder Pedersen   33   Ugift   deres søn   arbejdsmand   Taagerup Sogn, Maribo Amt
Ane Marie Jensen født Jensen   46   Enke      under fattigforsørgelsen   Stokkemarke Sogn, Maribo Amt
Ana Kirstine Jensen   11   Ugift   barn      Østofte Sogn, Maribo Amt
Niels Peder Jensen   7   Ugift   barn      Østofte Sogn, Maribo Amt
Karen Louise Jørgensen   66   Enke      under fattigforsørgelsen   Maribo
Christian Ibsen   64   Gift   husfader   under fattigforsørgelsen   Østofte Sogn, Maribo Amt
Karen Margrethe født Jensen   63   Gift   husmoder   under fattigforsørgelsen   Østofte Sogn, Maribo Amt
Margrethe Christiansen   35   Ugift   barn   sypige   Østofte Sogn, Maribo Amt
Labun   30   Gift   husfader   Mejerist   Sjælland
Nikkoline Christoffersen   25   Gift   husmoder      Sjælland
Frits Labuku   7   Ugift   barn      Sjælland
Nanna Labuku   4   Ugift   barn      Rødal Sogn, Jylland
Pigebarn   31/1 1890   Ugift   barn      Østofte Sogn, Maribo Amt

Jørgen's death no 19 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=159419#159419,26808551