Name of father?

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

I am trying to find the name of the father of Karen Marie Jensen born 19 Jan 1842 in Gjerlev, Randers, opslag 53 nr 1  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162626,27324239

She was confirmed 30 Mar 1856 in Gjerlev, Randers, opslag 146 nr 2  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162630,27324741

What surprises me is that I can't find them in the 1845 or later censuses until the 1880 census when she is listed with her husband and children.

Mange tak for din hjælp.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Eva Morfiadakis]

Father's name is Jens Iversen, Gaardfaester.

Eva M

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Mange tak Eva.  I am tracing one of my Danish relatives family tree from rainy North Carolina, USA.

mvh
Paul

[Anne Mortensen]

Måske:

FT 1855

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=119179#119179,17417129

Karen M. Jensen 13 Tjenestefolk

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Mange tak Anne.

mvh
Paul

[Judith Olsen]

Hej Paul

I think you have Karen Marie here:

Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup en gaard, 69, FT-1845, B4936
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Hans Jørgen Kaas   29   Ugift      Gaardfæster   Vindblæs
Jens Rasmussen   22   Ugift      Tjenestekarl   Aistrup
Jens Christensen Rousing   53   Gift      Aftægtsmand   Blenstrup
Maren Christensdatter   40   Gift      Hans kone   Enslev
Ane Frederiksdatter   10   Ugift      Deres børn   Enslev
Maren Jensen   5   Ugift      Deres børn   Enslev
Karen Marie Jensen   4   Ugift      Deres børn   Enslev
Ane Jensen   1   Ugift      Deres børn   Enslev

Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup Bye, , , FT-1850, C3977
....
Jens Christensen Rousing   63   Gift      Aftægtsmand   Blenstrup
Maren Christensdatter   45   Gift      Kone   Enslev
Karen Marie Jensen   9   Ugift      Barn   Blenstrup


Jens Christensen Rousing and his wife Maren do not have a daugther, Karen Marie baptized - neither in Enslev nor in Gjerlev.

And - the wifes surname is not Christensdatter, it's Andersdatter - look at the baptism of the two daugthers, Maren og Ane:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162626,27324241

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162626,27324237

The marriage of Jens and Maren:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162628,27324548


So I think that Karen Marie is their foster child.

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

I agree that she is their foster child.  I have been through all the Gjerslev parish records and censuses and can find no mention of Jens Iversen or Maren Andersdatter other than in the birth and confirmation records of Karen Marie Jensen.  It is a mystery but not the first one I have seen.  This is what makes genealogy such fun.

Med venlig hilsen og godt nytår
Paul fra North Carolina, USA

[Judith Olsen]

Hej Paul

Could Jens Iversen and Jens Christensen Rousing be the same person ?

There is in fact a Jens Iversen in the parish in 1839, 1840, 1841 and 1842.

I have checked some of the "Afgangslister og Tilgangslister" for the parish and this is what I found:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324586

nr. 44, Jens Andersen – leaves Jens Iversen in 1841
nr. 4, Dorthe Marie Nielsd. – leaves Jens Iversen in 1842


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324584

nr. 47, Jens Andersen, 33 ¾ år – leaves Jens Iversen in 1840
nr. 52, Andreas Jensen, 28 ½ år  – leaves Jens Iversen in 1840

Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup, 1 Gaard, 53, FT-1840, C3998
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Jens Christensen   53   Gift      Gaardmand   
Maren Andersdatter   36   Gift      Kone   
Laust Chr. Jensen   9   Ugift      Barn   
Niels Chr. Christensen   15   Ugift      Barn   
Jens Andersen   33   Ugift      Tjenestekarl   
Ane Andersdatter   27   Ugift      Tjenestepige   

There is only one Jens Andersen by the age of 33 in the parish in 1840.


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324563

nr. 38, Andreas Jensen, 28 ½ år – comes to Jens Iversen i 1840


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324581

nr. 3 – Ane Nielsdatter – leaves Jens Iversen i 1839


When you look at the baptism of Karen Marie you can see that Jens Iversens daugther, Maren "stod hos". Jens Christensen does have a daugther by that name from his first marriage:

Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup, en Gaard, 5, FT-1834, C3355
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Jens Christensen Rousing   48   Gift      Gaardmand   
Maren Jensdatter   41   Gift      hans Kone   
Christen Jensen   16   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Maren Jensdatter   13   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Christiane Jensdatter   7   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Laurs Jensen   3   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Ane Marie Hendriksdatter   40   Ugift      Tjenestefolk   
Thyco Andersen   24   Ugift      Tjenestefolk   

Also the blacksmith Laurs Laursen of Kjærby is witness at the baptism. He or his wife also is witnesses at the baptism of Maren and Ane.


But why Jens is called both Iversen and Christensen in the church books - well .....

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

I don't know how to thank you for all the time and effort you have put into finding Gens Iversen and Maren Andersdatter.  I can only say tusind tak.  Now to the 1840 census again to see if there is a solution to the problem.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Nothing in the 1840 census but I did find Dorthe Marie Nielsdatter coming to Gjerslev from Falslev 11 Nov 1841.   https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324566

Ane Nielsdatter coming to Jens Iversen in 1838 nr 41.  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324560  I can't read the parish.

Ane Christensdatter coming to Jens Iversen 6 Nov 1838, nr 24   https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324559

Andreas Jensen coming to Jens Iversen 6 Nov 1840, nr 38   https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324563

Anders Jensen coming to Jens Iversen 23 May 1841, nr 20  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162629,27324565

Can I use this information to find Jens Iversen.  Why all these people coming to Jens Iversen?

Mange tak for din Hjælp.

Paul

[Judith Olsen]

Hej Paul

Ane Nielsdatter came from Vindblæs parish 

These people - coming or leaving Jens Iversen - are servants (tjenestekarle / tjenestepiger), and you can't use them to find more about Jens Iversen.

It just tells that Jens Iversen must have had a farm since he needed servants.

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Last night I found this:

http://ao.salldata.dk/vis.php?bsid=193073&side=14&kb=Retsbetjent: Randers, Skifteprotokol I, Gjerlev-Onsild herreder 1852 - 1859&height=781

1853:
Death of Jens Rousing. Underaged heirs. The widow in "uskiftet bo" = the children got no inheritance from the father.
No names of the children, unfortunately.
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Is there a Maren Jensdatter/Jensen among the witnesses when the children of Karen Marie were baptished ?

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

Here is the birth record of Jens Iversen Jensen Hoe.  It mentions the wife of Søren Jensen, Maren Jensen.  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17125184#166711,27994207

Here is the birth record of Marius Jensen Hoe and it mentions Maren Jensen.  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#200633,38002752

Perhaps this helps.

mvh
Paul

[Judith Olsen]

Hej Paul

Yes 

Here is Søren Jensen and his wife, Maren, in 1880:

Randers, Støvring, Randers Købstad, Kvarter/Rode 119, Rådmandsvang, Matr. 351 baghuset stuen, 471 F6, FT-1880, d2583
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Søren Jensen Vestager   53   Gift   avlsbruger husfader      Spentrup Sogn Randers Amt
Maren Jensen født Jensen   40   Gift   husmoder      Gjerlev Sogn Randers Amt
Søren Iver Sørensen   12   Ugift   pleiesøn      Essenbæk Sogn Randers Amt
Jens Christian Høi??   15   Ugift   pleiesøn      Gjerlev Sogn Randers Amt

Maren is born i Gjerlev in 1840 - daughter of Jens Christensen Rousing and Maren Andersdatter.


And then - look at this:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17123008#162628,27324538

1836, nr. 2 - Maren Jensdatter of Blenstrup - her parents Jens Iversen Rousing og Maren Jensdatter

Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blenstrup, en Gaard, 5, FT-1834, C3355
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Jens Christensen Rousing   48   Gift      Gaardmand   
Maren Jensdatter   41   Gift      hans Kone   
Christen Jensen   16   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Maren Jensdatter   13   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Christiane Jensdatter   7   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Laurs Jensen   3   Ugift      Deres Børn   
Ane Marie Hendriksdatter   40   Ugift      Tjenestefolk   
Thyco Andersen   24   Ugift      Tjenestefolk   

So - Jens is called both Iversen Rousing and Christensen Rousing !

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

You make Sherlock Holmes look like an amateur.  I am amazed at your skill.  Once again, thanks for all your help and expertise.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

Here is the birth of Jens Christensen Rousing https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161437,27119932

I was hoping that his father was Iver but no such luck.

Here is a Jens Iversen, not the one I am looking for but perhaps his grandfather.
All persons in the household

Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blendstrup Bye Gaardmænd, , 3, FT-1787, B7179
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Jens Iversen    74    Gift    Hosbonde    Bonde og Gaardmd    
Karen Christensdatter    75    Gift    Madmoder       
Anders Jensen    37    Gift    Deres Søn       
Anne Pedersdatter    28    Gift    Hands Kone       
Maren Andersdatter    3    Ugift    Deres Barn       
Niels Mussekiær    36    Ugift    Tieneste Folk       
Niels Nielsen    23    Ugift    Tieneste Folk       
Niels Christensen    10    Ugift    Tieneste Folk       
Karen Pedersdatter    20    Ugift    Tieneste Folk

mvh
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

Here is an interesting family.  Jens Iversen and his wife Maren Ancersdatter.

All persons in the household

Randers, Støvring, Randers Købstad, Von Hattenstræde, , 577, FT-1845, B6436
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Jens Iversen    72    Gift       Wognmand    Borup sogn Randers amt
Maren Andersdatter    55    Gift       Hans kone    Lem sogn Randers amt
Jens Christian Iversen    13    Ugift       Deres søn    Randers
Anders Iversen    23    Gift       Deres søn,forpagtet kørselen    Randers
Karen Sophie født Jensen    27    Gift       Dennes kone    Sundbye Aalborg amt
Oline Marie Iversen    2    Ugift       Deres barn    Randers
Andreas Peter Sørensen    23    Ugift       Tjenestekarl    Randers
Niels Jensen Veilgaard    26    Ugift       Tjenestekarl    Weilgaard Ringkjøbing amt
Ane Chatrine Møller    27    Ugift       Tjenestepige    Sever sogn Aalborg amt (Sebber)

[Judith Olsen]

Hej Paul

The family in Randers in 1845 - well that couple, or at least Maren, is to old to be parents to Karen Marie.

But I also think that Jens Iversen in Blenstrup 1787 is the grandfather of Jens Iversen/Christensen Rousing.

Here is what I found today:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161436,27119772

Jens Iversen and Christen Rousings daughter, Karen - betrothal in 1741


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161436,27119814

Jens Iversens son, Christen – marts 1756.

Randers, Gjerlev, Gjerlev, Blendstrup Bye Gaardmænd, , 6, FT-1787, B7179
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Christen Rousing   32   Gift   Hosbonde   Bonde og Gaardmd   
Karen Jensdatter   31   Gift   Madmoder      
Niels Christensen   4   Ugift   Deres Børn      
Jens Christensen   1   Ugift   Deres Børn      
Maren Andersdatter   71   Enke(mand)   Konens Faster      
Jens Andersen   21   Ugift   Tieneste Folk      
Mette Jensdatter   18   Ugift   Tieneste Folk      
Anne Pedersdatter   16   Ugift   Tieneste Folk      


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17122432#161437,27119926

Betrothal/marriage of Christen Jensen Rousing and Karen Jensdatter Hougaard in 1782


http://ao.salldata.dk/vis.php?bsid=193064&side=98&kb=Protokol: Randers, Skifteprotokol I , Gjerlev-Onsild herreder 1826 - 1830&height=759

The link doesn't work, but it is "skifteprotokol for Gjerlev-Onsild Herreder 1826-1830", opslag 98
Regarding the death registration of the parents of Maren Jensdatter (the first wife of Jens) – here again Jens is called Iversen Rousing.


http://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o1k_oekort&id=5735&elav=0880451

On this old map from 1816 you can find the name "Christen Rousing" on the field No 8 and in the village you find the farm itself, also No 8.

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

Thank you so much for all your hard work.

I agree that Jens Iversen Rousing and Jens Iversen are one and the same person.  For some reason he chose to use both names, or the parish priest did.

This reminds me of when I was researching my 7th great grandfather in Barløse, Båg, Odense.  His name was Jørgen Jørgensen and he was born circa 1608.  When my father came to the USA he brought a book of genealogy about Barløse.  All the facts in the book proved to be correct but the author said that circumstantial evidence indicated that Jørgen Jørgensen was the illegitimate son of Jørgen Steensen Brahe, the nobleman.  I searched for paper evidence of this but could never find anything.  And then one day, a kind Dane wrote me that there was a 1651 ciourt record from Barløse that said that Jørgen Jørgensen was the son of the late, esteemed Jørgen Kjeldsen. 

And so I am not related to Danish kings, Byzantine Emperors, etc.  But at least I know who my 8th great grandfather is.

Med venlig hilsen fra North Carolina, USA
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Judith,

Just for your information here is the 1651 Barløse court record.  The information is in the first four lines.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul



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[Judith Olsen]

Hej Paul

I am glad that you - as I have been for same days - now are convinced that Jens Christensen Rousing is the same person as Jens Iversen (Rousing) 

And it must be funny to have the old document from Barløse.

In about two hours from now we will celebrate New Years Evening here i Denmark - starting with our Queen speaking to all of us on Danish Television.

So to you and your family - Happy New Year ... "og tak for kampen" 

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Og en godt nytår til dig og din familie Judith.

mvh
Paul