Niels Pedersen Kanne - Åby / Brabrand-Kasted sogn

Startet af Rick Larsen, 18 Mar 2011 - 15:59

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Rick Larsen

I need help finding the correct births for Niels Pedersen {Kanne} and his wife Ane Pedersdr, who according to their marriage entry on 8 Jul 1800 should both be from Brabrand sogn [Brabrand-Kasted 1763-1813, Opslag 223]. I cannot read much of the rest. If anyone could help I would be grateful.

Working backwards, this is what I have:

Peder Nielsen (age 29-1/2) of Aaby sogn, Aarhus amt, marries Johanne Andersdr on 24 Oct 1830 in Gødvad sogn, Viborg amt [Gødvad 1814-1857 Opslag 151]. Going to Aaby sogn, I find a Peder Nielsen born 30 Sep 1800 to Niels Pedersen and his wife Ane Pedersdr [Aaby sogn 1765-1813, Opslag 33-34], who would be 29 years 11 months old at the time of the above wedding. Other later births to the same couple show Niels Pedersen is Niels Pedersen Kanne.

Kirsten Marie – bap. 21 Oct 1802 [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 35]
Johanne – bap. 17 Feb 1805 [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 37]
Marianne – bap. 13 Mar. 1808 [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 43]
Karen – born 30 Jan 1810 [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 47]
Peder – born 21 Sep 1813 [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 56]

The 1801 census of Aaby shows Niels Pedersen Kanne, Ane Pedersdr and his wife's half-sister weaver girl Maren Nielsdr, but Niels, born 5 months earlier [FT-1801 Åby, Opslag 144; Åby by, Huus 30], is missing and I do not find a death entry for the child.

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby By, , , 30, FT-1801
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place: Niels Pedersen Kann 32 Gift mand jordløs husmand og væver Ane Pedersdatter 26 Gift hans kone Maren Nielsdatter 30 Ugift konens halvsøster inderste, ernærer sig ved væven  In the census, Niels Pedersen would have been born about 1769.

CANDIDATE 1: Is not from Brabrand-Kasted as stated in the marriage entry, but instead Åby. The entry appears to be for "Niels" born to Peder Nielsen [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 7]. My Danish is limited to "genealogical" terms, but it does seem to read "1772 Dom 1 p. Epiph. – Niels – Dobt Peder Nielsen b: K:Anne barn af Zidsel Rasmusdr: ifolg Ane Rasmusdr: ____". Is the "K:Anne" actually "Kanne" or is this just wishful thinking on my part? Or is this a girl called "Anne"?

CANDIDATE 2: Is from Brabrand, as stated in the marriage act. Niels Pedersen, bap. 20 Jan 1771 af True bye, the son of Peder Bering [Brabrand-Kasted 1763-1813, Opslag 25, Nr. 8]. Godparents: Peder Pedersen af Brabrand, Niels Pedersen _______  _______, og Niels Offersens hustru, Niels Danielsens hustru alle af True. PROBLEM: This candidate is still living at home in Brabrand in 1801, which thus rules him out.

Aarhus, Hasle, Brabrand, True by, , En gaard, 48, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Bierring 51  gift hosbonde bonde og gaardbeboer 
Maren Rasmusdatter 42  gift hustru madmoder 
Niels Pedersen 15  ugift deres søn   
Rasmus Pedersen 12  ugift deres søn   
Svend Pedersen 6  ugift deres søn   
Dorthe Pedersdatter 10  ugift deres datter   
Mariane Pedersdatter 9  ugift deres datter

Aarhus, Hasle, Brabrand, True bye, , En gaard, 48, FT-1801
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Nielsen 66 år  gift husbonde bonde og gaardbeboer 
Maren Rasmusdatter 56 år  gift hans kone   
Niels Pedersen 31 år  ugift deres søn   
Rasmus Pedersen 29 år  ugift deres søn   
Anne Poulsdatter 14 år  ugift tjenestepige

CANDIDATE 3: Is from Åby, not Brabrand. Niels Pedersen, bap. Dom. 20 p. Trin. 1772 (1 Nov 1772), the son of Peder Lemings [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 9]. Godparents: Maren Mikkelsdr, Jens Nielsen, Jens Pedersen, Morthen Nielsen.

NOTE: I find only one other entry mentioning the name "Kanne" in either parish and that is the death of "husmand Rasmus Jensen Kanne 85 år", who died 11 Jan 1803 and was buried 16 Jan 1803 in Åby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 75].

Ane Pedersdr would have been born about 1775 according to the 1801 census.  According to the 1834 census, she would also have been born about 1775.

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aabye, , 1 Huus, 16, FT-1834
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Jacob Jensen 28  gift  Huusmand og Væverske 
Karen Nielsdatter 24  gift  hans Kone, Væverske 
Johanne Jacobsdatter 1  ugift  Deres Datter 
Niels Pedersen Kanne 67  gift  Opholdsmand 
Ane Pedersdatter 59  gift  hans Kone

And, according to her death entry [Åby 1814-1847, Opslag 138], she was also born about 1775.

There are no Ane Pedersdr's born in Brabrand-Kasted in the 1774-1776 period!

CANDIDATE 1: I find only an "Ane Kierstine" Pedersdr born 29 Aug 1773 in Brabrand [Brabrand-Kasted 1763-1813, Opslag 31]. There are also no Ane Pedersdr's born in Åby in the 1774-1776 period!

CANDIDATE 2: If the entry for candidate 1 for Niels Pedersen is really a "b. K. Anne", then this is my second candidate, but then she Is not from Brabrand-Kasted, but instead Åby. The entry [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 7] seems to read "1772 Dom 1 p. Epiph. – Niels – Dobt Peder Nielsen b: K:Anne barn af Zidsel Rasmusdr: ifolg Ane Rasmusdr: ____". Is the "K:Anne" actually "Kanne" or is this a girl called "Anne"?

1787 CENSUS DATA:

There is only one Niels Pedersen in Åby who closely approximates the age in 1787 and this is Peder Lemming's son, now 14. There are only two other Niels Pedersens in Åby, but they are both born in 1777, eight years too young.

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby, , , 8, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Lemming 55  Gift hosbonde gaardbeboer 
Karen Rasmusdatter 45  Gift hans kone   
Anne Pedersdatter 18  Ugift deres datter  
Zidsel Pedersdatter 10  Ugift deres datter   
Karen Pedersdatter 8  Ugift deres datter   
Kiersten Pedersdatter 5  Ugift deres datter   
Niels Pedersen 14  Ugift deres søn   
Rasmus Pedersen 11  Ugift deres søn   
Jens Pedersen 3  Ugift deres søn

In the 1787 census of Brabrand parish, if I eliminate Peder Bering's son, who was still at home in the 1801 census, there are no candidates. The same for Kasted parish.

For Ane Pedersdr, there are no candidates in Brabrand-Kasted. There are 3 candidates in Åby, but they would all be born in the 1769-1771 period, 4-5 years before the 1775 birth date I saw in all other records.

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby, , , 3, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Nielsen {Biering} 49  Gift hosbonde bonde og gaardbeboer 
Zidsel Rasmusdatter 39  Gift hans kone   
Anne Pedersdatter 16  Ugift hans datter  
Niels Pedersen 10  Ugift deres søn   
Rasmus Pedersen 8  Ugift deres søn   
Søren Pedersen 5  Ugift deres søn   
Peder Nielsen 24  Ugift tjenestekarl   
Maren Nielsdatter 30  Ugift tjenestepige   
Lisbet Andersdatter 84  Enke(mand) hans moder   
Zidsel Sørensdatter 37  Ugift sidder til huus

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby, , , 14, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Jensen 59  Gift hosbonde   
Maren Pedersdatter 48  Gift hans kone   
Anne Pedersdatter 17  Ugift deres datter   
Jens Pedersen 7  Ugift deres søn   
Joen Jensen 22  Ugift tjenestekarl national soldat 
Peder Rasmussen 16  Ugift tjenestekarl

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby, , , 8, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Lemming 55  Gift hosbonde gaardbeboer 
Karen Rasmusdatter 45  Gift hans kone   
Anne Pedersdatter 18  Ugift deres datter  
Zidsel Pedersdatter 10  Ugift deres datter   
Karen Pedersdatter 8  Ugift deres datter   
Kiersten Pedersdatter 5  Ugift deres datter   
Niels Pedersen 14  Ugift deres søn  
Rasmus Pedersen 11  Ugift deres søn   
Jens Pedersen 3  Ugift deres søn

ATTENTION: Ane Pedersdr (and Niels Pedersen Kanne) have an older half-sister of Ane, Maren Nielsdr, who is living with them in 1801. She would have been born about 1771, or about 16 at the time of the 1787 census.

There is only one candidate in both parishes:

Aarhus, Hasle, Brabrand, Brabrand by, , Et hus, 31, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Michel Nielsen 57  gift mand huusmand 
Birgithe Jensdatter 71  gift hans kone   
Maren Nielsdatter 15  ugift konens broderdatter

Could it be that Birgithe Jensdatter is the sister of "Rasmus Jensen Kanne" who died aged 85 years on 11 Jan 1803 in Åby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 75]?

I have not seen any extracts of probate records for any of the names involved here, because I lack experience in this area.

At this point, I really could use a fresh set of eyes from someone with more experience than I have.

Best Regards and Thanks in Advance,
Rick
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Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen

Hi Rick
Being from Brabrand at the wedding means that they lived in Brabrand before the wedding. It does not mean they have been born in Brabrand.

At Kiersten Maries baptism you get an importent information: The child is presented by "Farmoderen Kiersten Jensdatter" = the fathers mother Kiersten Jensdatter.

Regards
Ruth

Hanne Bjørn

Hi Rick
His military papers say he was born in Foldby son of Peder Nielsen Kanne.
Regards
Hanne Bjørn

Rick Larsen

Hi Ruth, Hi Hanne,

I have to tell you... It is a very humbling experience to have people like you both help me! I really appreciate the help and it always reminds me of how much I still have to learn... I wish my Danish was better.

This helps me advance with Niels Pedersen. I hope I will find the trail of his wife Ane Pedersdr.

QUESTION: I have another posting/thread here in this group about Ane Jensdr in Blenstrup/Gunderup. Do you by any chance read anything similar that could help me in the baptismal records about her children? She is proving to be a real challenge and you both seem to be very experienced.... Please excuse the direct question, but it raised my hopes...

Best Regards,
Rick
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Rick Larsen

Based on the military registration information that Hanne provided and the name of the mother that Ruth provided, I can close out half of this thread, the part related to Niels Pedersen Kanne.

Niels Pedersen Kande (later Kanne) was baptized 11 May 1766 in Foldby, the son of Peder Nielsen Kande and Kiersten Jensdatter [Foldby 1751-1790, Opslag 130; Dom. Exaudi].
Marriage: not located in Foldby or BorumPeder and Kiersten apparently separated before the 1787 census because we find him living with his brother Jens Pedersen Kande, as well as his own son Jens, bap. 12 May 1768 [Foldby 1751-1790, Opslag 141; Esto mihi], in Sønder Årslev [FT-1787 Sønder Årslev, Opslag 3; Årslev bye, Huus 8]
Peder Nielsen Kande was buried in Årslev on 29 Dec 1793 [Årslev-Tilst 1757-1814, Opslag 85].

His parents, Peder Nielsen and Anne Jensdatter Kande, were living in Borum in 1763 when Anne's brother, Jensen Jensen Kande died, according to probate records. http://www.niels-sorensen.dk/?Skifteuddrag:Frijsenborg_Gods:Borum_sogn

If anyone has any ideas about Anne Pedersdatter, I would be grateful to hear them.

Regards,
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Rick Larsen

Hi,

Please find below the names of the godparents for each of the known births/baptisms of the children of Anne Pedersdatter and Niels Pedersen Kanne. I am hoping that someone will see something that will help me identify who her brothers & sisters, and thus parents were.

NOTE: Ane Pedersdatter has an older half-sister, Maren Nielsdatter, that appears in several acts and the 1801 census. She had an illegitimate child on 7 Feb 1802 while residing with Niels Pedersen Kanne and her sister Anne Pedersdatter  [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 33-34]

Peder – bap. 5 Oct 1800; Faddere: Grethe Nielsdr, Christen Offersen, Hans Mundrup alle af Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 33-34]

Kirsten Marie – bap. 21 Oct 1802; Faddere: navn ?igma Ane Pedersdatter fra True, Gaardmand Jens Pedersen fra Brabrand, Huusmand Hans Pedersen or Joen Jensen Smed begge af Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 35]

Johanne – bap. 17 Feb 1805; Faddere: ?un navn Dorthe Knudsdatter og Marie Jo?usdatter, Jens Nielsen, Hans ???????? og Jens Rasmussen alle af Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 37]

Marianne – bap. 13 Mar. 1808; Faddere: ????????, Maren Lauritsdatter, ???????, John Jensens son, John Jensens By??????, Hans Pedersen og Christen Offersen begge Hussmand ??? af Aaby  [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 43]

Karen – born 30 Jan 1810; Faddere: Maren Nielsdatter, ???? Jens Christensen, ?????? Huusmand af Aaby, Hans Mundrups hustru Maren Rasmusdatter, Gaardmannd ????? Christen Offersen, Hans Pedersen Mundrup, Jens Rasmussen Linde [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 47]

Peder – born 21 Sep 1813; Faddere: Gaardmand Peder Nielsen Bondes kone Maren Sørensdatter, Jens Rasmussen, Hans Mundrup og Christen Offersen Huusmand i Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 56]

By process of elimination, there were 3 different Anne Pedersdatters living in Åby during the 1787 census. There were none in Brabrand-Kasted. Unfortunately, none of the candidates from Åby show a brother Hans Pedersen. Two show a brother Jens Pedersen. One – the second household below -- shows a "Joen Jensen" who was living in the household, then is also named as a godfather at the 1802 and 1808 baptisms.

If I look at the 1801 census of Å, there were no other Anne (Ane) Pedersdatters. Only Niels Pedersen Kanne's wife remains.

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby, , , 3, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Nielsen {Biering} 49  Gift hosbonde bonde og gaardbeboer 
Zidsel Rasmusdatter 39  Gift hans kone   
Anne Pedersdatter 16  Ugift hans datter   
Niels Pedersen 10  Ugift deres søn   
Rasmus Pedersen 8  Ugift deres søn   
Søren Pedersen 5  Ugift deres søn   
Peder Nielsen 24  Ugift tjenestekarl   
Maren Nielsdatter 30  Ugift tjenestepige   
Lisbet Andersdatter 84  Enke(mand) hans moder   
Zidsel Sørensdatter 37  Ugift sidder til huus

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby, , , 14, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Jensen 59  Gift hosbonde   
Maren Pedersdatter 48  Gift hans kone   
Anne Pedersdatter 17  Ugift deres datter   
Jens Pedersen 7  Ugift deres søn   
Joen Jensen 22  Ugift tjenestekarl national soldat 
Peder Rasmussen 16  Ugift tjenestekarl

Aarhus, Hasle, Aaby, Aaby, , , 8, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peder Lemming 55  Gift hosbonde gaardbeboer 
Karen Rasmusdatter 45  Gift hans kone   
Anne Pedersdatter 18  Ugift deres datter   
Zidsel Pedersdatter 10  Ugift deres datter   
Karen Pedersdatter 8  Ugift deres datter   
Kiersten Pedersdatter 5  Ugift deres datter   
Niels Pedersen 14  Ugift deres søn   
Rasmus Pedersen 11  Ugift deres søn   
Jens Pedersen 3  Ugift deres søn

Thank you in advance for any help,
Rick Larsen, Luxembourg
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Rick Larsen

Ane Pedersdatter's half-sister that we see living with her in the 1801 census of Aaby lived until the ripe old age of about 80. In the 1845 census, she is living with her son and his family and she gives her birth place as "Toustrup " [FT-1845 Åby, Opslag 16; Gaard 21].

I cannot find a parish or a place called "Toustrup" in Aarhus amt. I thought that this might be Tulstrup in Aarhus amt, but a check of the parish register for the time period 1768-1772 does not show any Maren born there.

Does anyone know where Toustrup might be or how and where I can find it?

Thank you,
Rick Larsen
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Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen

Hi Rick

According to http://www.krabsen.dk/stednavnebase/ there are two places called Toustrup:
1. in Durup Sogn, Harre Herred, Viborg Amt
2. in Snejbjerg Sogn, Hammerum Herred, Ringkøbing Amt.

Regards
Ruth

Rick Larsen

Thank you,

No luck with either... No baptismal record in Ringkobing and no parish registers for the period in Viborg.

Thank you!
Rick Larsen
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Hanne Bjørn

In Dallerup parich there are also a Toustrup and I can see the one who has translated the sencus 1845 also think she is from Dallerup parish.
regards
Hanne Bjørn

Rick Larsen

Thank you for the tip Hanne.

I checked the records there, but there was no Maren born to a father Niels in Toustrup (Dallerup parish) during that time frame. I also did not find any marriage of a Maren Pedersdatter in the 1763-1766 period.

If "Toustrup" was really in a different amt, would they not have noted that in the census? Usually when I saw in the past that someone is born in a different (far away) parish, the census taker noted the name of the amt as well.

Best,
Rick
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Marc Andersen

Hi Rick (and others).

I have been reading this thread with interest over the last couple of days. I too am a descendant of the Kanne Branch from Brabrand, so this has really been a great help for me as well. :)

I think, reading the most recent posts, that you might have overlooked a possibility, namely that this "Toustrup" could be something else than a village. For instance a manor.
There is an old manor called 'Tulstrup' (Hørning, Sønderhald, Randers) which could be the place (spelling of places can change a lot over time, and Toustrup might have been to Tustrup later on), and according to krabsen there are other places called Tulstrup in Glesborg, Nørhald, Randers and Nørager, Sønderhald, Randers as well.

Of cause this is only a guess. But I hope you will find what you are looking for.

Mvh.
Marc Møldrup Andersen

Marc Andersen

I have been looking a bit on the child babtisms as well..


Peder – bap. 5 Oct 1800; Faddere: Grethe Nielsdr, Christen Offersen, Hans Mundrup alle af Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 33-34] (nothing to see here)

Kirsten Marie – bap. 21 Oct 1802; Faddere: navn pigen (the girl) Ane Pedersdatter fra True, Gaardmand Jens Pedersen fra Brabrand (a brother to Niels Pedersen Kanne. My 4x great grandfather), Huusmand Hans Pedersen og (and) Joen Jensen Smed begge af Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 35]

Johanne – bap. 17 Feb 1805; Faddere: ?un navn Dorthe Knudsdatter og Marie Johansdatter/Johannesdatter, Jens Nielsen, Hans Pedersen og Jens Rasmussen alle af Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 37]

Marianne – bap. 13 Mar. 1808; Faddere: (something about who presented the child, can't read it), Maren Lauritsdatter, bysmeden (the village smith) John Jensen's son, John Jensen Bysmeden, Hans Pedersen og Christen Offersen begge Hussmand, alle af Aaby  [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 43]

Karen – born 30 Jan 1810; Faddere: pigen Maren Nielsdatter fra (from) Jens Christensen(s house), som bar barnet (who carried the child), Huusmand af Aaby, Hans Mundrups hustru Maren Rasmusdatter, husmands formynder (perhaps) Christen Offersen, Hans Pedersen Mundrup*, Jens Rasmussen Linde [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 47]
....
* From Hasle herreds Skifteuddrag, is found that:
120 Maren Nielsdatter i Åby.
27.5.1803, fol.230.
E: Hans Pedersen Mondrup. B: Maren 4. FM: farbror Rasmus Pedersen Mondrup i Snåstrup.
....
Which tells that he had a brother living in Framlev sogn. Though it's not of much help at the moment.

Peder – born 21 Sep 1813; Faddere: Gaardmand Peder Nielsen Bondes kone Maren Sørensdatter, Jens Rasmussen, Hans Mundrup og Christen Offersen Huusmand i Aaby [Åby 1765-1813, Opslag 56] (nothing to add)

helle toft andersen

Hello

Do not know if you are still looking in to this. Peder Nielsen is my 4th great-grandfather and someone on my father side has done some research into it and this is what I have.