USA help needed

[Christina Sietam]

Dear co-searchers,

I am trying to find the first migrants of the Sietam-family in the States.

1:I know for a fact, that the Sietam-family originally comes from Germany.
2: I have found an Ellis Island ship manifest for a Wilhelmina Sietam from 1893. She leaves from Burg, Germany and her destination is Iowa.
3: She is 16 years old and travels alone.

4: I have found a Wilhelmina Sietam at familysearch.org but can not se anything further than that she changed her name in marriage to Althof.

5: There are many Sietams in the States, but if she changed her name, and they did not come via ellis Island, where did they register then? Is there any possible way to find out?

We are in contact with Sietams in Pennesylvania now, but they can not help with any details.

How do I find more details about this Family now. Where do I begin?

I really hope that someone can give me the missing link.

Kind regards

Christina Sietam

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hi Christina,

Here are some Sietams in the transcribed Danish records 

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp 

and  http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp 

and  http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp

These parts of Denmark were lost to Germany in a war of 1864.

Sincerely,
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hi Christina,

I wonder if this is your Wilhelmina?  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=73496531&PIpi=45570818

Sincerely,
Paul

Not your Wilhelmina.  According to the 1920 census, Minnie came to the US in 1882.

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hi Christina,

Found a 1923 Iowa marriage where the groom's (John Clarence Althof) father is Louis Althof and his mother is Minnie Sietam. The file is to large for me to post here but if you give me your e-mail address I will send it to you.  After more research I think the grave that I found is of Wilhelmina and the 1920 census had the wrong date  of her coming to the USA.  I am sure the 1920 census is your Wilhelmina.

Try this  https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=Iowa&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMinnie%20%2Bsurname%3AAlthof%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22United%20States%2CIowa%22

Also this   https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=Iowa&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMinnie~%20%2Bsurname%3ASietam%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22United%20States%2CIowa%22

Sincerely,
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hi Christina,

Here is a brother of Wilhelmina.

Name    Charles Frederick Emil Sietam
Event Type    Marriage
Event Date    21 Oct 1894
Event Place    Gladbrook, Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender    Male
Age    25
Birth Year (Estimated)    1869
Father's Name    John Sietam
Mother's Name    Anna Schultz
Spouse's Name    Maria Kruse
Spouse's Gender    Female
Spouse's Age    19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)    1875
Spouse's Father's Name    Wm. Henry Kruse
Spouse's Mother's Name    Christine Schultz

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42677287&ref=acom


Sincerely,
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Once again Hi,

I don't have access to the German records on ancestry.com but the 1851 Lübeck census there is a Johannes Sietam born about 1833 in Burg auf Fehmarn.  Both Wilhelmina and Charles's father is listed as Johannes Sietam in the American records.  Note that in the 1893 manifest for Wilhelmina she is from Burg.

You can order the microfilm of the Burg auf Fehmarn church records from a Mormon Family History Center.  https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/69994?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Paul

[Inger Toudal]

Found these 1840 and 1845 censuses at http://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp (County: Sydslesvig, Parish: Burg):

Sydslesvig, , Burg, Burg, Stadt, 1. Quartier, Breite Strasse, Haus Nr. 9, 9-F1, FT-1840, C6026
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:
Andr. Johann Sietam    35    Verheir       Clempner    
Elsabeth Buttschaft    41    Verheir       seine Frau    
Joh. Hermann Hinr. Sietam    6    Unverheir       sein Sohn    
Conrad Heinr. Gottlieb Sietam    3    Unverheir       sein Sohn

Sydslesvig, , Burg, Stadt Burg, Breite Straße, 4. Quartier, Haus N. 57, 265-F3, FT-1845, D4626
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Andr. Sietam    40    Verheir.       Klempner    Lübeck
Elisabeth Buttschau    46    Verheir.       dessen Frau    Norderkirchsp.
Johannes Sietam    11    Unverheir.       dessen Kind    Burg
Conrad Sietam    8    Unverheir.       dessen Kind    Burg

The 1835, 1840, 1855, and 1860 censuses for Slesvig are available at
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/rif/rif-collection/7

- choose Sogn: Burg auf Fehmarn

Not able to find the 1860 census for Burg, though.

Fehmarn families - Sietam: http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/o/s/John-S-Kostick/COL56-1704.html

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[Inger Toudal]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD71-CLP

Name    Hans Sietan
Event Type    Immigration
Event Date    26 Mar 1872
Event Place    New York, New York, New York, United States
Gender    Male
Age    18
Birthplace    Germany
Occupation    Farmer
Ship Name    Holland
Birth Year (Estimated)    1854
Departure Port    Liverpool & Queenstown
Literacy    Unknown
Destination Place    United States
Affiliate Manifest ID    00032246
Affiliate ARC Identifier    1746067

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-5LXR

Name    Carl Sietam
Event Type    Immigration
Event Date    1884
Event Place    New York City, New York, United States
Gender    Male
Age    15
Birth Year (Estimated)    1869
Birthplace    Germany
Ship Name    Laurent

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS2-GL35

Name    Hubert Sietam
Event Type    Immigration
Event Date    1891
Event Place    New York City, New York, United States
Gender    Male
Age    7
Birth Year (Estimated)    1884
Birthplace    Prussia
Ship Name    Dania

Best regards,
Inger

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hi Christina,

Found this information on familysearch.org.

Johannes Hermann Heinrich Sietam
Sex
Male
Birth
17 March 1834
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
Christening
Add
Death
13 January 1909
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
Burial
Add
Other Information
Open Details | Add
Family Members
Spouses and Children
Johannes Hermann Heinrich Sietam
1834-1909  •  L7GJ-YJ7 ​
Catharina Dorothea Voderberg
1842-1926  •  L7GJ-YHW ​

Marriage: 21 June 1861

Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany

Johannes Hermann Heinrich Sietam
1834-1909  •  L7GJ-YJ7 ​
Anna Christina Emerentia Schulz
1839-1880  •  L7GJ-YR6 ​

Marriage: 21 June 1861

Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany

This is the information on Anna


Anna Christina Emerentia Schulz
L7GJ-YR6 ​
Watch
Birth    
14 January 1839
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
Death    
21 4 1880

This is Anna in the 1845 census

All persons in the household

Sydslesvig, , Burg, Stadt Burg, Badstawen, 2. Quartier, Haus No. 6, 66, FT-1845, D4626
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Joh. Carl Schultz    55    Verheir.       Tischler    Burg
Anna Chr. Braasch    53    Verheir.       seine Frau    Sulsdorf bei Heiligenhafen
Georg W. Schultz    13    Unverheir.          Burg
Anna Chr. Schultz    7    Unverheir.          Burg


Since the American records list Wilhelmina and Charles' parents as Johannes Sietam and Anna Schulz, this has to be their parents.

Sincerely,
Paul

[Inger Toudal]

http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ellis-island-history

"Prior to 1890, the individual states (rather than the Federal government) regulated immigration into the United States. Castle Garden in the Battery (originally known as Castle Clinton) served as the New York State immigration station from 1855 to 1890 and approximately eight million immigrants, mostly from Northern and Western Europe, passed through its doors.....The Federal government intervened and constructed a new Federally-operated immigration station on Ellis Island. While the new immigration station on Ellis Island was under construction, the Barge Office at the Battery was used for the processing of immigrants.

The new structure on Ellis Island, built of "Georgia pine" opened on January 1, 1892."

I did a search at Castle Garden http://castlegarden.org/index.php - but only came up with Hans Sietan (arr. 1872),
Carl Sietam (arr. 1884), Hubert Sietam (arr. 1891), and Wilhelmine Sietam (arr.1893).

Best regards,
Inger

[Inger Toudal]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XKGB-2JG

Name    Charles Sietam
Event Type    Naturalization
Event Place    Toledo, Iowa
Event Date    1890
Birthplace    Germany

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTQL-H4Y

Name    Chas F E Sietam
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1895
Event Place    Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender    Male
Birth Year (Estimated)    1870
Page    288

This could be Johannes Georg Conrad, born 29 Dec. 1867 in Burg:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTQL-5D2

Name    Johannes Sietam
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1895
Event Place    Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender    Male
Birth Year (Estimated)    1867
Page    221



https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6C-HD9

Name    Fredrick Sietam
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1880
Event Place    Allegheny, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender    Male
Age    53
Marital Status    Married
Race    White
Race (Original)    W
Occupation    Night Watchman
Relationship to Head of Household    Self
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)    Self
Birth Year (Estimated)    1827
Birthplace    Germany
Father's Birthplace    Germany
Mother's Birthplace    Germany
Sheet Letter    C
Sheet Number    274
Person Number    0
Volume    1

Best regards,
Inger

[Inger Toudal]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXPM-M5Z

Name    Frederick Seitam
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1860
Event Place    3rd Ward Allegheny, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender    Male
Age    32
Race    White
Race (Original)    [Blank]
Birth Year (Estimated)    1828
Birthplace    Holstein
Page    250

Johana Seitam       F    36    Hanover
Christian Seitam    M    7    Hanover
Olrenia Seitam       F    4    Pennsylvania
Henry Seitam       M    2    Pennsylvania

Best regards,
Inger

[Inger Toudal]

Carl F. Sietam:

1900 census in Iowa: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M92M-Z1S

Johannes Sietam:

1910 census in Oregon: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLBW-LVX

1920 census in Wisconsin: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFVR-M3W

1940 census in Wisconsin: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7N9-VQC

Johannes Sietam's wife was Christina Brandt, and he had a daughter Alvina (see 1910 census).

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJWK-MDF

Name    Johannes Sietain
Birth: 1867 Burch-Schlaswig Holstein Ger
Event Type    Marriage
Event Date    20 Mar 1893
Event Place    Des Moines, Polk, Iowa, United States
Gender    Male
Age    26
Birth Year (Estimated)    1867
Father's Name    Johannes Sietain
Spouse's Name    Christina Brandt
Spouse's Gender    Female
Spouse's Age    23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)    1870
Spouse's Father's Name    Heinrich Brandt

Is it a coincidence that Fredrick Sietam in Pennsylvania also had a daughter named Alwine?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6C-HD9

Fredrick Sietam
United States Census, 1880
Fredrick Sietam    Self    M    53    Germany
Johana Sietam    Wife    F    58    Germany
Christian Sietam    Son    M    26    Pennsylvania, United States
Alwine Sietam    Daughter    F    23    Pennsylvania, United States
Henry Sietam    Son    M    22    Pennsylvania, United States
Louisa Sietam    Daughter    F    19    Pennsylvania, United States

Best regards,
Inger

[Inger Toudal]

Carl F. Sietam:

Iowa State Census, 1915: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK4R-FTGH

- see following images for family: wife Mary, sons Loyd 15 y, and Karl 2 y.

United States Census, 1930: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XMNX-D8S

Best regards,
Inger

[Inger Toudal]

It seems that the surname of Hans Sietan, who immigrated 1872, was Zietan:

United States Census, 1900: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQM8-VT8

I cannot find any later info about Hubert Sietam, who immigrated 1891.

So there are at least these male Sietams immigrating from Germany:

- Carl F. Sietam (b. 1869), immigration year 1884, who had the sons
   - Loyd (b. around 1900)
   - Karl (b. around 1912)

- Johannes Sietam (b. 1867), immigration year 1889 (according to 1920 census), who had the sons
   - Fred (b. around 1897)
   - Endos(?) (b. around 1900)
   - William (b. around 1901)
   - Emil (b. around 1905)
   - Harry (b. around 1907)
   - Frank (b. around 1909)
   - Harry (b. around 1910)

- Fredrick Sietam (b. 1828), immigration year before 1860, who had the sons
  - Christian (b. around 1854)
  - Henry (b. around 1858)

Christian Sietam is here:

United States Census, 1900: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS15-5DB

Christian Sietam    Head    M    45    Pennsylvania
Clarence Sietam    Son    M    17    Pennsylvania
Carl Sietam    Son    M    15    Pennsylvania
Hazel Sietam    Daughter    F    12    Pennsylvania
Edward Sietam    Son    M    10    Pennsylvania
Allina Sietam    Sister    F    42    Pennsylvania

Best regards,
Inger

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Christina,

I hope the above information brings you further than you got 10 years ago:

http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?11,235325,235383

Fehmarn was under Danish rule until 1864: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn

According to http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/navne/HvorMange there are 17 persons
with the surname Sietam in Denmark.

The Sietams who immigrated to Denmark were born in e.g .Berlin, or Lübeck:

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Adelgaden, 63, 111, FT-1860, C3093
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position i  household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Rudolph Christian Sietam    42    Gift    Kjøbmand, Huusfader       Berlin
Laura Cecilia Regina Brandt    28    Gift    Hans Kone       Kjøbenhavn
Caroline Elisabeth Franciska Sietam    3    Ugift    Deres Datter       Nykjøbing

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Westergade, Baghuset No 14, 13, FT-1860, C3093
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position i  household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Hans Ulrich Christian Sietam    66    Gift    Galanterihandler, Huusfader       Lübeck
Henriette Christiane Ejdam    60    Gift    Hans Kone       Berlin

Best regards,
Inger

[Christina Sietam]

Kære Paul og Inger,

tusind tak for jeres store hjælp begge to. Jeg googlede dig lige Paul, for jeg kunne ikke huske om du er dansktalende eller engelsktalende ;-), så nu kan jeg lige så godt lige skrive til jer på dansk.

Det er mange år siden jeg sidst har siddet ved dis-forum. Kunne ikke logge ind med mit gamle brugernavn, så jeg måtte endda oprette et nyt.

Nu er det blevet lidt interessant at finde ud af hvordan vi hænger sammen med de amerikanere vi har fået kendskab/familieskab til i Pennesylvania gennem facebook, så derfor dette spørgsmål I nu har hjulpet mig lidt videre med.

Jeg vil i morgen, prøve at sætte informationerne ind i mit program, og se hvordan jeg kan få det til at hæge sammen videre frem med de oplysninger jeg har selv i forvejen. Det er ikke meget.

Jeg kendte slet ikke til det nye "immigrationskontor" du hentyder til, Inger, men der fandt du vist "the missing link" for når kvinderne gifter sig og skifter navne, er det altså ikke dem der fører slægtsnavnet videre og så manglede jeg jo ligesom noget - ik?

Har I adgang til noget jeg ikke selv har adgang til på nettet? Alt hvad der ligger på familysearch og ancestry.com kan jeg sagtens finde selv, men jeg tænker at I, hvis I har arbejdet, eller arbejder meget i USA, har adgang til databaser jeg ikke har adgang til.

Indtil videre skal I i hvert fald begge to have rigtig mange tak for den information I har givet jer tid at finde og jeg håber jeg må vende tilbage til jer, hvis der skulle være andre uoplyste informationer jeg søger.

Jeg bor på Fyn og kender rigtig meget til slægtsforskning både på nettet men også ude i det ganske danske land, så hvis jeg kan hjælpe jer den vej, så sig endelig til. Jeg er en gammel rotte på dis, men det er læææææææænge siden.

Med venlig hilsen

Christina Sietam

[Christina Sietam]

Hi Christina,

Here are some Sietams in the transcribed Danish records 

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp 

and  http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp 

and  http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp

These parts of Denmark were lost to Germany in a war of 1864.

Sincerely,
Paul

Bare lige til info Paul: når jeg klikker på dine links går den direkte til søgesiden, så jeg kan intet se, ej heller i hvilke amter eller sogne du har søgt.

Hilsen Christina

[Christina Sietam]

Hi Christina,

Here is a brother of Wilhelmina.

Name    Charles Frederick Emil Sietam
Event Type    Marriage
Event Date    21 Oct 1894
Event Place    Gladbrook, Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender    Male
Age    25
Birth Year (Estimated)    1869
Father's Name    John Sietam
Mother's Name    Anna Schultz
Spouse's Name    Maria Kruse
Spouse's Gender    Female
Spouse's Age    19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)    1875
Spouse's Father's Name    Wm. Henry Kruse
Spouse's Mother's Name    Christine Schultz

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42677287&ref=acom


Sincerely,
Paul

Hej Paul,

hvorfra ved du at dette er broderen? MVH Christina

[Christina Sietam]

Hi Christina,

I hope the above information brings you further than you got 10 years ago:

http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?11,235325,235383

Fehmarn was under Danish rule until 1864: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn

According to http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/navne/HvorMange there are 17 persons
with the surname Sietam in Denmark.

The Sietams who immigrated to Denmark were born in e.g .Berlin, or Lübeck:

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Adelgaden, 63, 111, FT-1860, C3093
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position i  household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Rudolph Christian Sietam    42    Gift    Kjøbmand, Huusfader       Berlin
Laura Cecilia Regina Brandt    28    Gift    Hans Kone       Kjøbenhavn
Caroline Elisabeth Franciska Sietam    3    Ugift    Deres Datter       Nykjøbing

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Westergade, Baghuset No 14, 13, FT-1860, C3093
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position i  household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Hans Ulrich Christian Sietam    66    Gift    Galanterihandler, Huusfader       Lübeck
Henriette Christiane Ejdam    60    Gift    Hans Kone       Berlin

Best regards,
Inger

Hej Inger,

Jeg tror jeg har ALT hvad der findes i min direkte anelinie tilbage til 1500 i Danmark og Lübeck/Estland. Alt dette har jeg efterforsket for ti år siden. Rudolph og Laura Cecilia er mine direkte tip-2oldeforældre. Min oldemor var Thora Husted Sietam født i Nykøbing og giftede sig med min oldefar fra Ærø. Så alle dem i Dk har jeg selv fundet. Alle i Tyskland og Estland har jeg sammen med en mand til en tysk Sietam-ane, Dr. Michael Rotger Schnetlage, fundet og kørt ind også.

[Inger Toudal]

Hej Christina

Mon ikke Pauls formodning bygger på, at Charles' og Wilhelmines forældre har de samme navne
(fra et af de links til FamilySearch, Paul satte ind om Wilhelmine):

Name    Louis Friedrich Althof
Event Type    Marriage
Event Date    01 Apr 1894
Event Place    Gladbrook, Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender    Male
Age    27
Birth Year (Estimated)    1867
Father's Name    Friedr. L. Chr. Althof
Mother's Name    Sophie C. Chr./Therman
Spouse's Name    Anna Emilie Wilhelmine Sietam
Spouse's Gender    Female
Spouse's Age    19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)    1875
Spouse's Father's Name    Johann Sietam
Spouse's Mother's Name    Anna Schultz

Om Charles står der i øvrigt ved vielsen 1894: Birth 1869 Frenniam, Germany - det må vel være Fehmarn.

Ved Johannes Sietams vielse 1893 står der, at hans far hedder Johannes Sietam, så han kunne høre til
i samme søskendeflok:

Name    Johannes Sietain
Birth: 1867 Burch-Schlaswig Holstein Ger
Event Type    Marriage
Event Date    20 Mar 1893
Event Place    Des Moines, Polk, Iowa, United States
Gender    Male
Age    26
Birth Year (Estimated)    1867
Father's Name    Johannes Sietain
Spouse's Name    Christina Brandt
Spouse's Gender    Female
Spouse's Age    23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)    1870
Spouse's Father's Name    Heinrich Brandt

Jf. http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/o/s/John-S-Kostick/COL56-1704.html - hvor der desværre ikke står noget
om forældrene til de nævnte personer.

Faderen til Johannes Sietam (f. 1834, gift med Anna Schulz), Andreas, er ifølge FT-1845 født i Lübeck:

Sydslesvig, , Burg, Stadt Burg, Breite Straße, 4. Quartier, Haus N. 57, 265-F3, FT-1845, D4626
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Andr. Sietam    40    Verheir.       Klempner    Lübeck
Elisabeth Buttschau    46    Verheir.       dessen Frau    Norderkirchsp.
Johannes Sietam    11    Unverheir.       dessen Kind    Burg
Conrad Sietam    8    Unverheir.       dessen Kind    Burg

Venlig hilsen
Inger