Birth Record

[Ric Rasmussen]

I am looking for the birth record of Christen Westergaard.

I have these censuses.

København, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , Borgergade 97,Quisten til Gaarden, 11, FT-1834, C5734

Name:                                    Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Caroline Christine Westergaard   52   Ugift      gaaer for distrigts Lægen (goes for district doctor)
Christen Westergaard                   15   Ugift (unmarried)                               hendes Barn (her child)
Jacobine Jensine Westergaard   13   Ugift                                         hendes Barn


København, København (Staden), Store Grønnegade, Store Grønnegade, huset no 260 qvisten til gaarden, 51, FT-1840, D2297

Name:                          Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Necoline Westergaard   57   Enke (Widowed)                                     systuekone   (workroom wife)
Christen Westergaard   21   Ugift (unmarried)                                bogtrykkersvend   (printing companion)
Jacobine Westergaard   18   Ugift (unmarried)                                        haandarbeide   (needlework)

His sister's birth record is in the Trinitatis Parish in Copenhagen.  I have looked for him in the same parish for years 1818-1822 for males and 1819-1820 for females.  I also searched http://danbbs.dk/~stst/kbh_kbg_reg/ and couldn't find him or his sister.

What is the likelihood that he was baptized in a different parish?  How would I figure that out?

Thanks,

Ric

[Gitte Johansen]

Nr. 537

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16415203#4,1762

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=203404#203404,38575487

Konfirmation

nr. 77

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=157773#157773,26482304

[Inger Toudal]

København, København (Staden), Rosenborg Kvarter, Vognmagergade No. 68, Forhuset, Stue Etage, 489, FT-1845, C3146
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Catrine Petersen f. Pouelsen    56    Enke       Spiseværtinde    Kjøbhvn
Carel Julius Petersen    27    Ugift       hendes Søn, Malermester    Kjøbhvn
Dorothea Juliane Petersen    21    Ugift       hendes Datter    Kjøbhvn
Vilhelmmine Johansdatter    23    Ugift       Tjeneste Pige    Kjøbhvn
Christen Vestergaard    26    Ugift       Bogtrøkersvend, Logerende    Kjøbhvn

Sometimes the birth parish is mentioned in the confirmation record, but not in this case.

How to find a parish in Copenhagen when you know the street, e.g. from a census:

https://www.sa.dk/brug-arkivet/laer/kirkeboeger-hjaelp

https://www.sa.dk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Fra_gade_til_sogn_Koebenhavn_1840.pdf

1890 - 1925: http://www.fogsgaard.org/index.php/kobenhavnskegader

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[Ric Rasmussen]

Thank you, Gitte, for finding that.  I forgot to consider the confirmation and I don't know how to find/use the hospital records.

Thank you, Inger, for the additional information.  That will be helpful.

Some additional questions.

In the hospital records, it says Christen was born July 7, 1819 and christened July 10 but there is no record of that christening in the Trinitatis Parish which would have been his parish based on where he lived in the closest census (1834) and the fact that his sister who was three years younger was christened in that parish.  So does that mean he was christened in the hospital?  Or is there some other explanation?

Secondly, in the hospital records it lists his parents as Jacob Christian Christensen and Nicoline Friderikke ? (I can't tell what the last name of his mother is).  This birth record would suggest that his middle name is Vestergaard and his last name would be Christensen or Jacobsen. (But clearly W(V)estergaard is the last name in all the census records and his confirmation record.)  His sister's christening record is here (N. 124):

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8947-DSJY?i=18&wc=M5VP-VZS%3A357517801%2C357517802%2C360035301%2C360147001%3Fcc%3D2078555&cc=2078555

Here (1822) the parents are listed as Jacob Westergaard and Nicoline Friderike Jensen.  The father's first name is the same so I am assuming it is the same person.  Is that wrong?  If not where did the last name Westergaard come from?  Did the mother's last name change also?  These seem to all be the same people but it is confusing with the name changes.

To add to the confusion, Christen's confirmation (1833) which Gitte found lists the parents as Christian Jacob Christensen and Nicoline Frederikke Bo? (I can't quite figure the last name out.  Is it the same maternal last name as Christen's birth record?  They look different.) but Christen's last name now is listed as Vestergaard.

Additionally the family is listed as Westergaard in the 1834 and 1840 censuses.

So it seems I have a father named Jacob, a mother named Nicoline Friderikke and a son named Christen Vestergaard/Westergaard but the last names of the parents seem to change.  Can someone please help me make sense of this?

Thanks,

Ric

[Inger Toudal]

In the confirmation record, the mother's surname is not mentioned. The address is Borgerg. 97.
Same info in the Hovedministerialbog:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119263#206262,39154786 - No 77

Christen was baptized at the maternity hospital with the surname Vestergaard. The mother's name is recorded as
Nicoline Frederikke Ibsen.

The churchbooks of Den Kgl. Fødsels- og Plejestiftelse you find in the same place as other Danish churchbooks.
Additional records here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/other/other-collection/11

Jacobine Jensine's birth record in the Hovedministerialbog:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119263#206262,39154786 - No 139
- same info as in the Kontraministerialbog at FamilySearch.

I think you have to find the marriage record of the parents.

Best regards,
Inger

[Inger Toudal]

Sorry, here's the correct link to Jacobine Jensine's birth record in Hovedministerialbogen:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119263#206252,39150413 - No 139

Have you found her confirmation record?

København, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , Borgergade 97,Qvisten til Gaden, 10, FT-1845, C4015
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       Birth place:
Caoline Frederike Westergaar født Ipsen    63    Enke       ?? Syekone hos Docktor    Kiøbenhavn
Jacobine Jensine Westergaar    22    Ugift       en Datter    Kiøbenhavn
Peder Kauffmann    45    Ugift       Arbeidsmand    Nykjøbing paa Falster
Karen Marie Andersen    39    Ugift       Vadsgerkone    Odense

And what about her father Jacob's death record?

Best regards,
Inger

[Ric Rasmussen]

Thank you, Inger.

I searched the Trinitatis Parish for the parent's marriage information.  Christen was born 1819 so I searched 1816 - 1819 inclusive without any luck.

I searched the parish records for Jacobine's confirmation.  She was born in 1822.  I searched 1835-1839.

I searched the parish death records for Jacob's death.  He is listed as a laborer  in Oct 1833 at Christen's confirmation.  He is not listed in the 1834 census.  This doesn't leave much of a window.  I searched from Oct 1833 through the end of 1834.

No results on any of these.  Are there any other sources I should be looking at or any indexes for any of this information?

Thanks,

Ric

[Inger Toudal]

I have no idea where else to look. But I think you can be sure it's the same family in the church books
and the census records.

There are marriage indexes (Vielsesegister) for many parishes in Copenhagen, e.g. for Trinitatis:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17256662#211790,40013994

You find them at the same place as the church books:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/geo/geo-collection/5
- just write the name of the parish in Arkiv.

Re the mother's surname: Ibsen, Ipsen and Jepsen are different forms of the same name, so maybe
Jensen in Jacobine Jensine's birth record is a mistake?

Best regards,
Inger

[Ric Rasmussen]

Thank you, Inger.  Since I don't know Danish except for a few words, I have had a hard time navigating around Arkiv.  Chrome will translate the web pages but there are a lot of pdf's that won't translate.  Thank you for pointing out those indexes.

I searched both of them and searched for a marriage record for another 10 years before 1816 since the parents were older when Christen was born.  Still no luck.  I will keep looking.

Thank you for your assurance that I am working with the same family.  Also thank you for the information on the last name.  That makes a lot of sense and I bet it was supposed to be Jepsen on the daughter's birth record.

Thank you again for your help.