Seeking documentation on 3rd great grandparents

Startet af Lynn Christiansen, 27 Dec 2016 - 20:36

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Lynn Christiansen

My 3rd Great Grandfather was Søren Nielsen born about 1780.
I have from the Viborg 1845 Census http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid5045515
that his place of birth was Balle Sogn. I have searched the Balle parish, Hids Herred, Viborg Amt register for 1742-1813 starting with Balle birth section
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/sogn1948/churchbook/source130981/opslag14010298
and I do not locate his birth entry 1780 plus or minus several years.

The 1787 Census for Viborg http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid47538 indicates the household for his parents as:
Census Year 1787
Name Niels Larsen
Gender Male
Age 37
County Viborg
Hundred Hids
Parish Balle
Placename Hvinningdal
Born date 1750
Born Place
House Role husbond
Business bonde og gaardbeboer og giør hiul
Marital Status Married
Family No 8
Matr No
Record No 98
Source reference Micro-kort nr. 684
No of Marriages 1
Household  Rec. no. Name Sex Age Born Year Marital Status Information
98 Niels Larsen Male 37 1750 Married husbond bonde og gaardbeboer og giør hiul
99 Edel Sørensdatter Female 35 1752 Married hans kone
100 Søren Nielsen Male 6 1781 Single deres barn
101 Anne Nielsdatter Female 4 1783 Single deres barn


I have the same problem with his sister Anne who was born about 1783.

From FamilyTree there is a 2nd Anne born about 1785.

I have not been able to find any information about this family, the parents being Niels Larsen and Edel Sørensdatter.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

RIN 24155
Research Areas: Thisted, Aarhus, Viborg

Jesper Skov

Hi

Balle church register starts in 1790.


Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Jesper Skov

A probate from http://brejl.dk

105 Niels Lauridsen i Hvinningdal. 11.12.1802, side 79.
E: Edel Sørensdatter. LV: Søren Lauridsen sst. B: Søren 22, Anne 19. FM: farbror Anders Lauridsen sst.

farbror = father's brother


Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Jesper Skov

A cautious guess who his parents are:

170 Anne Andersdatter i Hvinningdal. 14.3.1774, fol.412. Dokument.
E: Laurids Nielsen. B: Niels 23, Anne g.m. Søren Holm sst, Anders 16, Jens 14, Søren 12. FM: Christen Pedersen.


Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Lynn Christiansen

Jesper---

CitatBalle church register starts in 1790.

According to page 2 of 1742-1813 Balle, Hids Viborg register "Balle Døbte for the period 1742-1790" are presented on pages 117-134b of the register.

However, I cannot find an entry for Søren or his siblings therein.

I am going to have to take some time to learn how to use the probate reference you gave me.

Thank you for your help and the references.
Research Areas: Thisted, Aarhus, Viborg

Jesper Skov

Hi

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=159989#159989,26896470

Døbte (Optegn: om saadanne i Gjødvad Sogn) NB
1742-1790 s. 117-134b



Optegn: om saadanne i Gjødvad Sogn = register of such (i.e. christenings) in Gødvad parish.



Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Lynn Christiansen

Jesper---

I saw that and went to register page 117 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=159989#159989,26896543

I searched from there to the beginning of the listing of Balle Deaths and I did not find any Birth entries for the children.

Still looking.....
Research Areas: Thisted, Aarhus, Viborg

Jesper Skov

Hi

I will try to make my self more clear:

The birth entries on page 117 to 134 are NOT for Balle parish, but the neighboring parish of Gødvad.

There are no church record preserved for Balle parish before 1790, so you will not find their birth entries.



Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Lynn Christiansen

Jesper---

Thank you for your patience with me and the lack of my understanding. I was hoping that they were Balle entries.

Thanks again.

Re: the probate references that you gave me--how does one work through the website to get to the data you gave me?

CitatA probate from http://brejl.dk

105 Niels Lauridsen i Hvinningdal. 11.12.1802, side 79.
E: Edel Sørensdatter. LV: Søren Lauridsen sst. B: Søren 22, Anne 19. FM: farbror Anders Lauridsen sst.
Research Areas: Thisted, Aarhus, Viborg

Jesper Skov

#9
No problem.

Brejl.dk has many probates from estates before 1850. The estates (godser) around the country managed most of this to around 1794 when the local courts (herredsfogeder) took over.

Brejl.dk divides probates (skifter) in districts (herreder). There could be multiple estates in one district, and the estates could span more than one district.


Here is how to read the information:

105 Niels Lauridsen i Hvinningdal. 11.12.1802, side 79.
E: Edel Sørensdatter. LV: Søren Lauridsen sst. B: Søren 22, Anne 19. FM: farbror Anders Lauridsen sst.


Niels Lauridsen in Hvinningdal (a place in Balle parish) died i 1802 and the probate was held 11th of December 1802 by the Kejlstrup Estate officer.

It can be found in Vester Kejlstrup skifteprotokol i 1802 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=194002#194002,32510014 on page 79.

The widow (E: enke) Edel Sørensdatter's legal guardian was Søren Lauridsen in Hvinningdal (sst.: samme sted = same place) and their children (B: børn) together are Søren aged 22 and Anne aged 19. The children's guardian (FM: formynder) is their father's brother (farbror) Anders Lauridsen in Hvinningdal.



Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Lynn Christiansen

Research Areas: Thisted, Aarhus, Viborg