Need help with birth record for Anders Nielsen Zimmerman

Startet af Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland, 05 Jan 2017 - 20:35

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My five times great-grandfather is Anders Nielsen Zimmerman.  Born around 1700 in Frørup, married to Kirsten Rasmusdatter on 18 April 1734 [Banns 21 February 1734 and 7 March 1734] in Frørup and died aged 78 on 28 April 1778 in Frørup.

The parish record format is different from what I am used to so I cannot make out where the names of the parents are located and if I even have an 'Anders' because the writing is hard to make out but I presume that his birth record may include 'Zimmerman'.

Frørup, Svendborg records 1671-1724
Page 93/187 record #14.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=179179#179179,30389797

Frørup, Svendborg records 1671-1724
Page 96/187 record #18 and Page 96/187 record #21.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=179179#179179,30389800

I could not locate any other records with the name 'Anders'.  Any help is appreciated.





#1
Anders Zimmerman: Born around 1703 in Frørup, married to Kirsten Rasmusdatter on 18 April 1734 [Banns 21 February 1734 and 7 March 1734] in Frørup and died aged 75 on 28 April 1778 in Frørup.

I should have changed the estimated birth year to 1703 as he died aged 75 in 1778.

Which means that any birth records for an Anders Nielsen Zimmerman would begin around page 97/187.

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=179179#179179,30389801

On page 98/187, record #17 (Dec 1702/Jan 1703?) looks like it might be Anders with a father Niels Knud Zimmermans?

On page 101/187 record #1 (1 Jan 1704) also looks like an Anders but I cannot make out who the parents are.

Ole Westermann

Rebecca

I don't think Anders Nielsen (Zimmermann) was born in Frørup.
I went through all baptisms 1700-1710, and there was no Anders with fathers name Niels.

Ole

#3
Thank you for doing that Ole.

I wonder if there is some light to be shed on what appears to be Anders Nielsen Zimmerman coming into the parish, his betrothal and marriage to Kirsten Rasmusdatter?

Frørup Sogn (Svendborg Amt)
1733-1740
Page 26/219 entry #4 on the left looks like Anders Nielsen Zimmerman is coming into the parish (for some reason I thought this was a marriage bann).

Also on page 26/219 is the marriage bann, right side of page, second from the bottom (7 Mar 1734) for Anders Nielsen and Kirsten Rasmusdatter.

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=179181#179181,30389940

Page 31/219 is the marriage record and unfortunately it is partly torn but I think there is enough there to determine where my Anders is coming from?

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=179181#179181,30389945

Ole Westermann

Anders Nielsen Zimmerman on the left page is among the comminicants that day.
On the right page is the betrothal  March 5 Anders Nielsen I(n) F(rørup) and Kiersten Rasmusdatter;
best men: Madts Pedersen and Niels Jørgensen, both in Frørup.

And the marriage record says nothing new. And it looks as if the corner of the page has been torn
BEFORE there was written on the page. Notice:
Kiersten Ras-
mus Datt. Copul.

But ANZ may have arrived to Frørup in his childhood from a neighbour parish or more far away.

Citat fra: Ole Westermann [1234] Dato 06 Jan 2017 - 20:07


But ANZ may have arrived to Frørup in his childhood from a neighbour parish or more far away.

Hi Ole.  Thanks for sorting that out for me.  What does a 'communicant' mean?

Ole Westermann

Hi Rebecca
A communicant is a person receiving the Holy Sacrament from the vicar by knealing close to the altar.

Thanks for the explanation Ole.  I did not realise that was what the record meant.

Continuing in my search for Anders Nielsen Zimmerman.  Born around 1703, married to Kirsten Rasmusdatter on 18 April 1734 [Banns 7 March 1734] in Frørup and died aged 75 on 28 April 1778 in Frørup.

I searched Ørbæk parish records from 1699-1705 and found no Anders Nielsen.
I searched Kullerup parish records from 1700-1705 and found no Anders Nielsen.  Is Kullerup the same as Refsvindinge?
I searched Tårup parish records from 1699-1704 but I was unable to decipher much of anything.
I searched Krogsbølle parish records from 1698-1705 and found no Anders Nielsen Zimmerman but the records were in Latin so I may have missed it somehow.

I searched Ellested parish records from 1699-1705 and found what might be an Anders Nielsen but the record was difficult to decipher.

Ellested Parish Records 1687-1705
Page 57/99
2nd record on left side of the page
16 March 1701
It looks like Anders but I could not decipher the name of the father and it is iffy if this is my Anders since he died aged 75 in 1778.  Is someone able to translate this record for me?
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=179039#179039,30366377
 
Vindinge, Svendborg records 1670-1744 and found only one Anders son of Niels (Vole?).
Page 74/194
Record 2 Pinsedag?? on left side of the page
5 Jun 1702 (this ties in with his death aged 75 since he would have died before his 76th birthday)
Anders son of Niels Vole?  I went back to 1696 but could not find another record for a Niels Vole.

There appears to be a woman's name but I could not decipher that.  Is someone able to translate this record for me?
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=182038#182038,30905042

Witnesses: Anders Laursen, Hans Jørgensen, Anders Andersen, Christen Andersen and Jochum Retsvis? (he has a child Jochum on page 75/194).  Also on page 75 (right side) is what looks like a Laurs Zimmerman. 
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=182038#182038,30905043

Page 81/94 has a witness for a birth of Maren on 14 Trinit that looks like Niels Zimmerman.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=182038#182038,30905049

In reviewing all of the witnesses for the births from Anders and Kirsten in Frørup, I discovered a Peder Rasmus Zimmerman in two of the records plus his wife, Dorthe Larsdatter, in one.

Frørup, Svendborg records 1746-1813
Page 10/219
Record #27
Hans Andersen
23 Nov 1751
Here we see a witness by the name Peder Rasmus Zimmerman.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=179183#179183,30390310

Record #9 on the right side of the page, 16 Apr 1752, shows birth of Hans Pedersen, father Peder Rasmus Zimmerman.



Ole Westermann

I looked at your links:

16.mar.1701: Anders' father is Klaus Hindsboe
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Fer.2.Pentec: Anders' father is Niels Vose in Koxbølle; only men are mentioned by name.
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I read Laurs Zimmerman as Laurs Timmermand (Tømmermand - carpenter)(the German Zimmermann means carpenter)
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Dom.14.Trinit. Niels ...?mands - it's not Zimmermands
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23 Nov 1751 Hans, a son of Anders Nielsen Zimmermand and wife Kirsten Rasmusdatter in Frørup
    one of the witnesses Peder Rasmussen Zimmermand
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#9 Hans, a son of Peder Rasmussen Zimmermand and wife Dorthe Larsdatter in Frørup
     a witness: Kirsten, Anders Zimmermand's

Ole

#9
Hi Ole.  Thank you for looking at those.  Given that the German version of Carpenter is being used is it possible that he is coming from another country altogether?  ANZ clearly lives in Frørup when he is 30 and he also dies there but none of the immediately surrounding parishes provide a birth record that fits (other than the entry for Niels Vose in Koxbølle).

Where is Koxbølle?  I cannot seem to locate it.

Ole Westermann

Both Anders and Niels are definitely Danish names and not German.
But in the past when many foreigners, especially Germans entered the Danish army as
recruited/professional soldiers, a Zimmermann may have married a Danish girl and thereby
brought the name into the family. That may be an explanation.

Koxbølle is identical to Kogsbølle (in Vinderup p.), just spelled in another way.

Ole