Need help finding Smidt/Hansen/Jorgensen record

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 15:44

Hi there,

I need assistance in finding records for my Danish ancestry. My great great grandparents came to America in 1882 and I am having the hardest time finding records past what is here in the states. I’ve tried navigating your website, but its not producing anything for me right now. Its probably the language barrier for me. Are the Danish records limited in the way they can be searched?

My great great Grandfather was Karl Knudsen Smidt (Schmidt, Smith) born in 1849, Svenstrup, Aabenraa-Sonderborg, Denmark, he married Cecelia Maria Hansen Schmidt (Smidt, Smith) in 1870 in Tonder. She was born 9 Dec 1851 in the same area as Karl. I am looking hard for both of their parents and am coming up very short. I would love to be directed to someone who can assist me with this project. All help is VERY much appreciated.

Note of import: My Grandfathers grave marker in Iowa contains the spelling of his last name, by his desire, as Smidt. My Grandmother shared with me that it is Danish origin and that at some point the German version was adopted, Schmidt, and then when they arrived in America they adopted the American English version of Smith. So, in Denmark, my 2nd Great Grandfather was Karl Knudsen Smidt but here in America he went by Carl K Smith. My 2nd Great Grandmother, his wife, has so many spellings of her first name, plus the commonality of this name is creating great difficulty in this research. Just on her alone, I've seen Cacilie, Cecillia, Cecilia and Cecelia. I found it interesting that a record found though shows Cacilie, when her first child Peter was baptized. My only record of a potential parent match for her is the one below.... except other records show that this child with the same name as my grandmother died in her first year, so I'm trying to confirm if these are the right parent names or if this is an error. And I have nothing on my 2nd great grandfather's parents yet.

Cecilia Maria Hansen
Gender:
Female
Birth Date:
9 dec 1851
Baptism Date:
23 dec 1851
Baptism Place:
Sottrup, Sønderborg, Denmark
Father:
Hans Christian Hansen
Mother:
Anna Sophia Christina Jørgensen
FHL Film Number:
42828

Thanks so much for any assistance!!

Erin Mardis
Birmingham, Alabama, USA
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28248212/family?usePUBJs=true (my family tree)

Inger Toudal · 22 Feb 2017 - 16:37

Info from FamilySearch: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FKZ7-XQS

Name    Carl Knudsen Schmidt
Spouse's Name    Cecilie Marie Hansen
Event Date    30 Aug 1871 [Marriage]
Event Place    Tonder, Tonder, Denmark

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217394#202764,38441526 - left page, top

Source: Danish churchbooks at https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/geo/geo-collection/5 - Arkiv: Tønder Sogn

Cicilie Marie Hansen born in Møgeltønder parish 22 Dec. 1850:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202083,38309848 - bottom
- parents: tailor Peter Hansen and wife Maren née Ulrichsen.

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

Inger Toudal · 22 Feb 2017 - 17:21

Carl Knudsen Schmidt was born in Hønning, Arrild parish, 7 Jan. 1848:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216008#200905,38045822 - top
- parents blacksmith Lars Madsen and wife Johanne Marie née Hermansen.

Carl and Cecilie Marie were both born in Tønder county: http://www.dis-danmark.dk/kort/kort.htm

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Kongerigsk), Møgeltønder, Et Huus, 119 F1, FT-1860, D6950
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Peter Hansen    72    E [Widower]    Skræder [Tailor]          Burkal Sogn Tønder Amt
Cecilie Marie Hansen    9    U     Hans Datter           Her i Sognet

Source: Indexed censuses at http://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp

Best regards,
Inger

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 18:17

Oh my gosh... thank you SO much!!!!

Any insight to those names... are they German or Danish?

Inger Toudal · 22 Feb 2017 - 18:24

The names are Danish, except Schmidt, which is German for Danish smed.

Tønder, Hviding, Arrild (Slesvigsk), Hønning Bye, Huus, 7, FT-1845, C7558
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Lars Madsen Schmidt     35     Gift        Grovsmed [blacksmith]    Jels Sogn
Johanne M. Schmidt     29     Gift        Hans Kone    Høist Sogn
Mine F. Schmidt     4     Ugift        Deres Børn    Arrilt
Martin Schmidt     2     Ugift        Deres Børn    Arrilt
Margrete Spandet     18     Ugift        Tjenestepige    Spandet

Tønder, Hviding, Arrild (Slesvigsk), Hønning Bye, Huus, 91, FT-1860, D6997
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Lars M. Schmith     53     Gift    Inderste. Huusfader og Smed        Jels Sogn Haderslev Amt
Josine Ch.Datter     40     Gift    hans Kone        Middelfart Odense Amt
Jens L. Schmith     10     Ugift    deres Søn        Arrild Sogn Haderslev Amt

His father's family name being Madsen Schmidt, this could be Carl working as a servant:

Tønder, Slogs, Højst, Bøgvad By - Sognefoged Distrikt, En Gård, 51, FT-1860, D7620
Navn:    Alder:    Status:    Stilling i familien:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Maren Boisen    56    Enke     Lever af Avlsbrug           Højst Sogn, Tønder Amt
Jens Boisen    26    Ugift     Hendes Søn           Højst Sogn, Tønder Amt
Jens Boisen    22    Ugift     Tjenestekarl           Hostrup Sogn, Tønder Amt
Søren Nielsen Søgaard    55    Gift     Tjenestekarl           Husby Sogn, Ringkøbing Amt
Hanne Marie Hansen    19    Ugift     Tjenestepige           Hostrup Sogn, Tønder Amt
Karl Madsen Schmidt    13    Ugift     Tjenestedreng           Arrild Sogn, Haderslev Amt

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Kongerigsk), Slotgaden, 18, et Huus, 98-F1, FT-1845, C5863
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peter Hansen     57     Gift        Skræder    Buhrkall Sogn Tønder Amt
Marie Uldrichs     38     Gift        hans Kone    Lunde Sogn, Ribe Amt
Mete Cathrine Cicilie Hansen     2     Ugift        deres Datter    her i Sognet
Nis Petersen Olsen     24     Ugift        Skrædersvend    Jerpsted Sogn Tønder Amt
Peter Poulsen Rasmussen     18     Ugift        Læredreng    Tønder S., Tønder Amt

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Kongerigsk), Slotgaden, , 18, et Huus, FT-1850, C7058
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peter Hansen     62     Gift        Skræder, Huusfader    Slesvig
Maren Ulricks     41     Gift        Hans Kone    Lunde Sogn, Ribe Amt
Meta Cathrine Cicilie Hansen     7     Ugift        Deres Børn    Her i Sognet
Cicilie Marie Hansen     3     Ugift        Deres Børn    Her i Sognet
Peter Hansen Petersen     26     Ugift        Skrædersvend    Slesvig
Karen Peters fr Knudsen     50     Gift        Spinderske    I Sognet

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Kongerigsk), Møgeltønder, Slotsgaden et Huus, 17 F1, FT-1855, D4512
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Peter Hansen     68     Gift    Skrædder, Huusfader        Burkal Sogn Tønder Amt
Maren Ulrichsen     48     Gift    hans Kone        Lunde Sogn Ribe Amt
Meta Cathrine Cicilie Hansen     12     Ugift    deres Barn        Møgeltønder
Cicilie Marie Hansen     5     Ugift    deres Barn        Møgeltønder
Haarker??     23     Ugift    Skræddersvend        Mecklenborg

Best regards,
Inger

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 19:01

Oh my gosh, you rock!! So so grateful!! I will comb through what you sent me and get some info up on ancestry now that I'm headed in the right direction. VERY grateful <3 I've started digging into Danish/Viking/Norwegian history and ancestry and it is extremely fascinating. History is deeply complex. And there are treasures of information around every bend.

Inger Toudal · 22 Feb 2017 - 20:03

Tailor Peter Hansen had been married to Mette Cathrine:

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Kongerigsk), Møgeltønder, Slotgaden, et hus, 18, FT-1834, C7522
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Peder Hansen    46    Gift           Skreder
Mette Chatrine Reting    52    Gift           Hans kone
Cecillie Frederike Hansen    21    Ugift           Deres børn
Peder Hansen    18    Ugift           Deres børn
Frederik Hansen    16    Ugift           Deres børn
Hans Peter Hansen    13    Ugift           Deres børn
Mette Chatrine Bertelsen    68    Enke           Inderste. kniplerske
Karen Bertelsen    36    Ugift           Hendes datter

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Kongerigsk), Møgeltønder Sogn, Slotsgaden, et Huus, 24, FT-1840, C7763
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Peter Hansen    52    Gift           Skræder og Huusmand
Mette Cathrine Kiding    58    Gift           hans Kone
Hans Peter Hansen    19    Ugift           Deres Søn
Andreas Nielsen    21    Ugift           Skrædersvend

Best regards,
Inger

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 20:07

What is the FT-1860 or FT-1845 Is that the year of the record?

Inger Toudal · 22 Feb 2017 - 20:13

FT = Folketælling 'census', e.g. FT-1860 = 1860 census.

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Genealogy

Best regards,
Inger

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 20:33

I kind of thought that might be the case, that I was looking at census records. This is making me want to learn the language. I would love recommendations for Danish history books as well. And If you are privy to good Norwegian history books as well, I am all ears.

Ellen Steen-Petersen · 22 Feb 2017 - 22:02

Hi Erin
A bit more on Carl Knudsen Schmidt's father, Lars Madsen Schmidt.

According to the churchbook he married again in 1855:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=200907#200907,38046380

It is therefore very likely Carl's mother has died.
Carl Knudsen Schmidt’s mother – Johanne Marie Hermansdatter – died on Oct. 23rd 1853;
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=200905#200905,38045940

Johanne Marie Hermansen
Wife of blacksmidth Lars Madsen
In Hønning. Daugther of Shoemaker Martin Hermansen in Høist, 37 years.

Lars Madsen Schmidt and Johanne Marie Hermansen were married in Høist Parish in 1840:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=201807#201807,38249655

March 14th 1840
Lars Madsen Schmidt son of Karl Friedrich Knudsen and wife Maren nee Madsen
Johanna Maria Hermansen daughter of Martin Hermansen and wife Johanna Maria nee Müller

Lars Madsen Scmidt was baptized in Jels Parish, Haderslev County. Born on Aug 18 1806.
Parents Karl Fridrich Knudsen and wife Maren Madsdatter.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=201877#201877,38265178

This is the parents of Lars Madsen Schmidt in Census 1803:

Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Fridrich Knudsen Schmidt 50 Gift Hausvater hat ein geringe Kathe mit Dito Lande, ehmied?? ein wenig
Maren Madstochter 38 Gift Dessen Frau
Hans Nikolai 11 - Deren Kinder
Mads 5 - Deren Kinder
Lauritz 3 - Deren Kinder

Johanne Maria Hermansen was born on feb 27th 1816 in Højst Parish;
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=201809#201809,38250135

Her parents in Census 1803:
Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: Birth place
Tønder, Slogs, Højst, Dorf Osterhöyst, , 15, FT-1803, C2036
Navn: Alder: Status: Stilling i familien: Erhverv: Fødested:
Martin Hermannsen 29 Gift Mann Inste und Schuster
Johanna Maria Martens 25 Gift Frau
Hermann Hermannsen 4 Ugift Ihre Kinder
Maria Lisbeth Hermannsen 1 Ugift Ihre Kinder

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 22:09

Ya'll are going to make me cry being so gracious to look into these things for me. I am so humbled and my gratitude is soaring. Thank you Ellen and Inger. My Grandmother here in the States is so fiercely independent and so am I that it is hard for either of us to ask for help, so to receive it can be overwhelming, even with "seemingly" little things. Both of you have blessed me more than my words can put on this screen.

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 22:36

I wonder why Lars Madsen Schmidt's fathers name was Knudsen and not Schmidt... Was that a skilled labor thing?

Inger Toudal · 22 Feb 2017 - 22:48

I 'll just add the heading to the 1803 census for Jels:

Haderslev, Gram, Jels, Grönbeck, Ausgerükte, , 68, FT-1803, C0090
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Fridrich Knudsen Schmidt    50    Gift     Hausvater     hat ein geringe Kathe mit Dito Lande, ehmied??* ein wenig
Maren Madstochter    38    Gift     Dessen Frau
Hans Nikolai    11    -     Deren Kinder
Mads    5    -     Deren Kinder
Lauritz    3    -     Deren Kinder

* maybe German Schmied 'smith'

- in the census, Lars Madsen Schmidt's father is recorded with the family name Schmidt, but it's probably not his official surname.

FS has a Danish word list as well as a German one: https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Danish_Word_List

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/German_Word_List

Here's a short history of the area which Tønder and Haderslev counties were part of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Schleswig

According to the censuses, Cecilie Marie's mother Maren Ulrichsen was born in Lunde parish, Vester Horne district, Ribe county.

Best regards,
Inger

Erin Mardis · 22 Feb 2017 - 23:14

It definitely makes sense that Lars's Dad would be a blacksmith as well. THANKS!

So maybe his full name is Karl Fridrich Knudsen Schmidt? I see a LOT of four names for one person over there. The tradition here is three.

Ellen Steen-Petersen · 22 Feb 2017 - 23:43

Cicilie Marie Hansen’s parents was married in Møgeltønder Parish, Tønder County:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=202083#202083,38309975

No. 9. Widower Peter Hansen, smallholder and tailor in Møgeltønder, 54 year. 2. Marriage
Maid Maren Ulriks, serving in Møgeltønder, 35 years. From Lunde sogn.
Nov 27th 1842

Peter Hansen dies on Nov 2nd 1861:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=202087#202087,38310734

However, his death record does not say anything about his parents, but states – as the census – his was born in Burkal Parish and the age as 73 years – which mean the birth year must be approx. 1788.

The Churchbook for Burkal Parish with birth records before 1800 is not available.
But the churchbook for Burkal Parish, Tønder County has list a confirmation and an entry which could be Peter Hansen:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=166309#166309,27932830
Apr 20th 1800.
Peter Hansen Lundtang
Parents: Hans Willumsen and Anne Sophie Pedersdatter Lundtang

Unfortunately, I can not find Peter Hansen 1st marriage to see it that would confirm his Parents.

Let’s look at Maren Ulrich, born in Lunde Parish, Ribe County, approx. 1807.
Maren’s confirmation is in Lunde Parish:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=166310#166310,27932941

And list her parents as (1822, no.5):
Ulrich Iversen and Zidsel M. Christensdatter, Søndertarp.
Birth date Nov 15th 1807

This is her parents in Census 1834:

Ribe, Vester Horne, Lunde, Gulhuse, et hus, 2, FT-1834, C8434
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Navn: Alder: Status: Stilling i familien: Erhverv: Fødested:
Ulrich Iversen 57 Gift Murermester
Sidsel Christensdatter 52 Gift Hans kone
Iver Ulrichsen 14 Ugift Deres børn
Christen Ulrichsen 11 Ugift Deres børn
Ester Chatrine Ulrichsen 8 Ugift Deres børn

/Ellen

Inger Toudal · 22 Feb 2017 - 23:46

Cecilie Marie's mother Maren Ulrichsdatter was born/baptized 15 Nov. 1807 in Lunde parish, Ribe county:

Her confirmation 1822: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124952#166310,27932941 - No 5
- parents Ulrich Iversen and Zidsel M. Christensdatter

Ribe, Vester Horne, Lunde, Gulhuse, et hus, 2, FT-1834, C8434
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Ulrich Iversen     57     Gift        Murermester [mason]
Sidsel Christensdatter     52     Gift        Hans kone
Iver Ulrichsen     14     Ugift        Deres børn
Christen Ulrichsen     11     Ugift        Deres børn
Ester Chatrine Ulrichsen     8     Ugift        Deres børn

Ribe, Vester Horne, Lunde, Geylen, Et Huus, 36, FT-1840, C8790
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Zidsel Maria Christensen     58     Enke [widow]         Huusmands Enke, lever af sin Jord
Iver Ulriksen     20     Ugift        Hendes Børn
Mariane Ulriksen     26     Ugift        Hendes Børn, ernærer sig som Væverske
Ester Cathrine Ulriksen     14     Ugift        Hendes Børn

Ribe, Vester Horne, Lunde, Geylen, et Huus, 38, FT-1845, B4556
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Christen Pedersen     31     Gift        Huusmand, lever af sin Jord    Nebel Sogn Ribe Amt
Mariane Ulriksen     31     Gift        hans Kone, Væverske    Her i Sognet
Ulrik Ch: Christensen     3     Ugift        deres Søn    Her i Sognet
Zidsel Marie Christensen     62     Enke        Inderste og Aftægtskone    Her i Sognet [Lunde parish]
Kirstine Christensen     18     Ugift        Tjenestepige, Væverske    Vium Sogn Ringkjøbing Amt

Could be Peter Hansen's confirmation in Burkal 4 Apr. 1806 (age 17 y 8 m):
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216188#201167,38100594 - right page, No 2
- father: the deceased Peter Bertelsen.

There is a Peter Hansen born/baptized 1 Jul. 1789 in Burkal:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484626#237176,45127471 - left page, top

Best regards,
Inger

Inger Toudal · 23 Feb 2017 - 09:00

I think Ellen was looking for Peter Hansen in Lunde parish

At the time of the confirmation 1806, Peter Hansen in Burkal parish was living in Rentz (nowadays spelled Rens).

For place names, please refer to http://www.krabsen.dk/stednavnebase/

The father of Peter Hansen, born 4 Aug. 1788, is Peter Hansen or Bertelsen, the mother Ann Maria Hansdatter in Rentz:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216188#201171,38101143 - right page, bottom

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216192#201176,38102640 - right page, No 30

Peter Hansen in Rentz died 9 Aug. 1802, 64½ years old:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216188#201174,38101837 - right page, No 21

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216192#201176,38102872 - right page, No 21
- his parents were Hans Bertelsen and Anna Martensen
- he left behind his widow and 5 children:
1) Anna, married to Ebbe Jensen in Rentz, who had a daughter Mette Maria
2) Hans Peter
3) Hans
4) Peter
5) Andreas

Tønder, Slogs, Burkal, Dorfs Renz, , 42, FT-1803, C2037
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Ebbe Jensen    27    Gift     Mann     Inste mit Land u. Schneider
Anna Peters [Peter's (daughter)]    31    Gift     dessen Frau
Metta Mar. Jensen    3          ihre Kinder
Peter Jensen    1          ihre Kinder
Maria Peters [Peter's (wife/widow)]    56    Enke     Mutter der Frau [the wife's mother]
Peter Petersen [Peter's son]    15          ihr Sohn [her son]

At that time in Schleswig, you very often see two surnames in use: the family name, and the patronymic. In
addition, the wife's or widow's 'surname' could be her husband's first name, as you see in the above census.

There's a mistake in the index for the Burkal church book. Peter Hansen who died 24 Feb. 1791 was the son of
Hans Petersen and Christina Jürgens in Rentz, so he cannot be the Peter Hansen who was born 4 Aug. 1788:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216188#201174,38101811 - left page, top

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216192#201176,38102836 - right page, bottom

Best regards,
Inger

Inger Toudal · 23 Feb 2017 - 09:57

Peter Hansen's 1st wife died 1840 (from FS):

Name    Mette Cathrine Kiding
Gender    Female
Death Date    22 Dec 1840
Death Place    Møgeltønder, Tønder, Denmark
Marital Status    Married
Spouse's Name    Peter Hansen

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217090#202079,38309160 - No 17

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202083,38310048 - No 17
- Peter Hansen's wife in Møgeltønder, 58 y old

She was engaged to be married 28 Mar. 1811: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484604#237153,45125028 - left page, bottom

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217090#202077,38308460 - right page, top
- bachelor Peter Hansen from Burkal parish and maid Mette Cathrine Kieding in Slotsgaden

The witnesses were Andreas Hansen (could be Peter's brother) and Nicolay Kedeng.
The latter might be the one who was married 1778 in Møgeltønder, and died 1815:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484604#237153,45124978 - left page

Marriages recorded only 1792 - 1797 in the church book for Møgeltønder parish 1792 - 1814:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217090#202077,38308299

Best regards,
Inger

Erin Mardis · 23 Feb 2017 - 16:06

Good morning/evening from the States. I sign into another treasure trove. Deeply Blessed.... again...

Do either of you live close to these areas in these records.? There are some videos on youtube that I watched yesterday that showcase Denmark and I watched one for Norway. I had no idea Denmark was flat in comparison to Norway. I thought they both were pretty mountainous and the differences in architecture between the two is striking. And when you look at Denmark on google earth, the FARMS!!! Oh my gosh they are EVERYWHERE. I thought the bulk of Europe was very congested, but it looks like I have a LOT to learn. Fascinating ...

How can I find the death date for Lars Madsen Schmidt and Maren Ulriks? I love it that one of my Grandmothers name is pronounced almost like mine. Maren is pronounced like Erin except with an M.

Inger Toudal · 23 Feb 2017 - 17:07

Maren Hansen née Ulrichsdatter/Ulrichsen died 21 aug. 1855 in Møgeltønder:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217090#202081,38309322 - No 9 in 1855

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202087,38310781 - No 9 in 1855
- wife Maren née Ulrichsen married to tailor Peter Hansen in Møgeltønder, 46 y

Widower Lars Madsen Schmidt died 4 Jun. 1887 in Arrild:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484558#237127,45121452 - right page, No 50

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16521000#38115,5374682 - No 6
- the death was reported by his son Martin Schmidt

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17216012#200908,38046605 - No 2 in 1887
- 5 still living children from 1st marriage, 3 sons and 2 daughters, 80 y 9 m 18 d

Best regards,
Inger (was living close to Jels for a short period as a child)

Erin Mardis · 23 Feb 2017 - 17:30

Thank you Inger

How do I look those records up for myself here? I like to research these lines until I hit the end. That's not something I can ask y'all to do for me. As great as y'all are I'm not going to burden you guys with that big of a project.

And let me just share this, when I research here in America, I can many times take a name and dates and google them and other peoples stories will pop up about my ancestors and I can fill in the lines pretty quick. I have some lines here all the way back to dates between 1600 and 1054 in England/Scotland/Ireland and Native American. When I do that with Danish names and dates, I get nothing... or barely anything. Is there a Danish search engine that might produce that kind of information that I just am not aware of? OR is it the difference in surname use that might be causing this challenge for me and the more educated I am in those differences, the info I'm seeking will "appear" to me where I didn't see it before... does that make sense? There are times where I literally get nothing, no results on on the page, but there are other times when I have results and its just my lack of knowledge that makes it where I can't "see" what I'm looking for even though it may be right there in front of me. I hope I'm making sense.

Erin Mardis · 23 Feb 2017 - 22:12

Just in case anyone else needs this file here.... yay... making progress

http://www.utilis.dk/ressourcer/2011_Generic_instructions_for_the_use_of_arkivalieronline.pdf

Inger Toudal · 23 Feb 2017 - 22:31

I use https://familysearch.org/search and https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927025

Indexed censuses at http://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp

- see http://www.dis-danmark.dk/kipkort/fronta-e.php (no censuses available for Schleswig after 1860 until 1921)

Danish church records (some with indexes - Register): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/geo/geo-collection/5

Danish census records: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/rif/rif-collection/7

Guides in English: https://www.sa.dk/en/ and https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Genealogy

In Sønderjylland/Schleswig from 1874, you find births, marriages, and deaths in the civil registers, too,
(many of these registers have indexes - Navneregister): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/geo/geo-collection/3

And of course you may be lucky that somebody else is researching the same ancestors, and has placed the results on the Internet.

Best regards,
Inger

Erin Mardis · 24 Feb 2017 - 15:31

Sending you big hearts Inger!!