Finding Jørgen Frederik Hansen's family.

Startet af Kristján Unnar Ellertsson, 11 Mar 2017 - 13:48

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Kristján Unnar Ellertsson

Hello
I am helping my friend, Jörmundur, who is of danish descent.

His great grandfather was Jørgen Frederik Hansen, born 10. april 1857 in Sønderborg (Aabenraa-Sønderborg Amt, Sønderborg Sogn, 1834F-1868F, Op. 365 - bottom page)
We can see his father's name is Frederik Ferdinand Hansen and mother is Stine??? Marie Hansen - most likely born Johnsen - datter til Jørgen Johnsen fra Norderborg and Anne Marie Johnsen

We need help finding Jørgen Frederik's ancestry, mainly his paternal (father, grandfather, great grandfather etc.) but we did not have any luck these past three hours.
We can see from the baptism record that Jørgen's father was Frederik Ferdinand Hansen (date unknown, place unknown) and we speculate that his father was Niels Hansen (date and place unknown) and his mother was Maren Olsen. More we do not know. Perhaps we suspect that Niels's father, (him being an illegitimate son) - a son to Georg Wilhelm Ferdinand? They have the same DNA.
Any help would be appreciated. We do not know how to search onward.

Best wishes,
Kristján

Ellen Steen-Petersen

#1
Jørgen Frederik Hansen's baptised:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=202603#202603,38407071.

Jørgen Frederik Hansen, Born Apr. 10. Baptised Apr. 17. 1857.
Parents: ... Frederik Ferdinand Hansen and wife Christine Marie Johansen, 36 years.


Confirmation:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=202585#202585,38400165

Birth of mother:
Christina Maria Johnsen, born May 27. 1821 in Sønderborg.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=202601#202601,38406334
Parents: Jürgen Johnsen and wife Anna Maria nee Lehne

/ellen

Ellen Steen-Petersen

Census Sønderborg 1860:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=10620#10620,267817

Frederick Ferdinand Hansen, 36, gift, København, ?
Marie Christine Johnsen, 39, gift, Sønderborg, wife
Anna Chirtiane Hansen, 8, single, Sønderborg, daughter
Jørgen Frederik Hansen, 3, single, Sønderborg, son
Anna Maria Lehne, 70, widow, Sønderborg, Mother in law

/ellen

Ellen Steen-Petersen

#3
From Sønderborg Churchbook register:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=237223#237223,45133874

Friedrich Ferdinand Hansen, Skorstensfejermester, søn af skomager Niels Hansen og Karen Ohlsdatter i København, født 25. maj 1824, døbt 9. juni 1880, begravet den 15. juni. Gift med Christiane Marie Johansen, der efterlades med fire børn A) Anne Marie Christiane, g.m. Købmand Jørgen Johansen, København, B) Hansine Laurette Frederikke, g.m. Købmand Johannes Andresen i Sønderborg C) Jørgen Friedrich Ferdinand, Sailor på Island d) Johanne Birgitte, ugift.

/Ellen

Inger Toudal

#4

Frederik Ferdinand Hansen died 9 Jun. 1880: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484678#237223,45133874 - No 90

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217326#202597,38404516 - No 59 (continues on next page)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16520968#38026,5353598 - nr. 57

- born in Copenhagen 25 May 1824, parents (master) shoemaker Niels Hansen and wife Karen Olsdatter.

Best regards,
Inger Toudal
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Ellen Steen-Petersen

I think the is Frederik Ferdinand's Confirmation - nr. 43:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=157773#157773,26482400

43. Nyborg, Frederik Ferdinand. Parents: Skomagermester Niels Hansen & h. Karen, Mÿntergade 54. Age: 14. Born: 25/5.
/Ellen

Inger Toudal

#6

Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FVYC-DVF  

Name    Frederik Ferdinand Hansen
Birth Date    1824
Age    27
Spouse's Name    Christine Maria Johnsen
Spouse's Birth Date    1821
Spouse's Age    30
Event Date    30 Sep 1851   [Marriage]
Event Place    , Nordborg, Aabenraa-Sonderborg, Denmark
Father's Name    Nis Hansen
Mother's Name    Karen Olsen
Spouse's Father's Name    Jorgen Johnsen
Spouse's Mother's Name    Anna Maria Lehne

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217102#202121,38316957 - No 23

Frederik Ferdinand Hansen .....
en Søn af afd. Skomagermester
Nis Hansen i Kjøbenh.
og ligel. afd. Hustru Karen f. Olsen.

- his father and mother had died before 30 Sep. 1851.

1840 census, Copenhagen: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid4298941

Niels Hansen   Male   64   1776   Married   Skomager-Frimester
Karen Olsen   Female   56   1784   Married   Hans kone

Christian Nielsen   Male   19   1821   Single   Deres Søn, Murlærling

1845 census, Copenhagen: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid6198866

Niels Hansen   Male   68   1777   Married   Hospitalslem, Skomagerfrimester (born in Nyborg)

Best regards,
Inger
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Ellen Steen-Petersen

This could be Niels' birth in Nyborg:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=180279#180279,30575984

Hans Nielsen Bastra (?) på Grønlandsskibet fra Nyborg og hans trolovede .. Johanne Nielsdatter en Søn Niels født d, 2. Juli ..


/Ellen

Inger Toudal

#8

- the birth date is 2 Jun. 1777.

You find two Niels Hansen in Nyborg, born around 1777. One becomes a shoemaker, the other a mason:

Census 1787: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid368222  [born 2. Jun. 1777 in Nyborg]

Census 1787: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid360161  [born where and when?]

The shoemaker in Census 1801: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1243189

The mason in Census 1801: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1247156

Who is who in the 1787 census??

Master shoemaker Niels Hansen in Copenhagen must have had a trade license (Borgerskab), so maybe you can find his birth date in Borgerskabsprotokoller  http://www.kbharkiv.dk/wiki/Borgerskab_i_K%C3%B8benhavn_1685-1932  at the Copenhagen City Archives.

Best regards,
Inger
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Inger Toudal

#9

I think you have the confirmation of two Niels Hansen in Nyborg 1793 here:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138043#180280,30576272 - left page, 2nd column

- cannot read additional info about them.

Link to Copenhagen Borgerskabsprotokoller: http://www.kbharkiv.dk/wiki/Borgerskab_i_K%C3%B8benhavn_1685-1932

Best regards,
Inger
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Kristján Unnar Ellertsson

Alright, so Niels Hansen was a shoemaker. He would be the correct man to look for next. Finding his parents is important, but was never possible. He is speculated to be descendant, illegitimate, of royalty thus could be hard to find. But it only is a speculation.
This information is great so far!

Best wishes,
Kristján

Kristján Unnar Ellertsson

Hi, Jörmundur and I are getting nowhere with this. We are thinking about if we can shift to Christian Nielsen for a bit.
We tried looking in trinitatis sogn, but have not found him there. Maybe if we find where Christian is born we can perhaps find more connections.

1840 census, Copenhagen:
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid4298941

Niels Hansen   Male   64   1776   Married   Skomager-Frimester
Karen Olsen   Female   56   1784   Married   Hans kone
Christian Nielsen   Male   19   1821   Single   Deres Søn, Murlærling

His brother is Frederick Ferdinand, the tip oldefar to Jörmundur. We can't seem to get anywhere with him, so perhaps Christian will be a good start?
There is no information about him, and I don't know how to operate the census well enough to locate him in the next one and the previous ones, can you help please?

Best wishes,
Kristján

Helmer Christiansen

You might be able to trace the whereabouts of Niels Hansen in the Kraks Vejviser (Krak's directory)
I think it is him Hansen, Niels, Skomagerm., Løvstræde 122 on page 205 of the  1840 edition.
Helmer Christiansen
2000 F

Kristján Unnar Ellertsson

Ah yes, he thought he could perhaps find him there today, so we searched but we did not quite manage to figure out how it works. This will probably prove us useful, but definitely hard to read.

Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 12 Mar 2017 - 14:26
This could be Niels' birth in Nyborg:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=180279#180279,30575984

Hans Nielsen Bastra (?) på Grønlandsskibet fra Nyborg og hans trolovede .. Johanne Nielsdatter en Søn Niels født d, 2. Juli ..


/Ellen

We have been in contact to the Nyborgs arkivet. They helped us trace the two Niels Hansens who were mentioned to have lived in Nyborg. There is a Niels 1, and Niels 2.

Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 12 Mar 2017 - 14:31

- the birth date is 2 Jun. 1777.

You find two Niels Hansen in Nyborg, born around 1777. One becomes a shoemaker, the other a mason:

[1] Census 1787: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid368222  [born 2. Jun. 1777 in Nyborg]

[2] Census 1787: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid360161  [born where and when?]

[1] The shoemaker in Census 1801: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1243189

[2] The mason in Census 1801: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1247156

Who is who in the 1787 census??

Master shoemaker Niels Hansen in Copenhagen must have had a trade license (Borgerskab), so maybe you can find his birth date in Borgerskabsprotokoller  http://www.kbharkiv.dk/wiki/Borgerskab_i_K%C3%B8benhavn_1685-1932  at the Copenhagen City Archives.

Best regards,
Inger

Nyborg said that the mason, [2] lived his whole life in Nyborg. That would not fit to the description of our details. Man nr. 1 seems to fit better with our description, and perhaps tracing his ancestry further up would not be such a bad idea.

I can not see what parish nor place where he is born, where would I go on from here? Too many results on familysearch and danishfamilysearch. Where would I go on from here?