Birth and Marriage Records in Keldby Sogn

[Ric Rasmussen]

I am trying to figure out the parents of Jørgen Christensen.  I believe I found his birth record in 1740 born to Christen Hansen in Pollerup.  On that record only the father is listed (#13).  Thank you to Karin who transcribed and translated it for me.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-YCGL?i=66&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

This appears to be another son.  Again only the father's name is listed but it is Christen Hansen from Pollerup.  Could this please be transcribed? (#22 on left-hand side)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-894W-YH23?i=69&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

I believe these are two more children.  Please transcribe these:

#30 on left-hand side
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-YCL7?i=72&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

#1 on right-hand side
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-YCBY?i=75&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

In these last two records, a mother's name is listed.  Anna.  I am not quite sure on the last name.  Is it Pedersdatter?

If so, I believe this may be the marriage record. Please transcribe.

#1 left-hand side
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-YDSG?i=212&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

That marriage was in March of 1741.  All of these other children were born after that but Jørgen was born in June of 1740 before the marriage.  I know children were born out of wedlock a lot at this time but is it reasonable to suppose that he is part of this family and shares the same mother?  Is there something else I could or should look for to provide more proof?

Thank you very much,

Ric

[Karin Andersen]

Hi Ric  

First in Danish, starting with "the old translation" of Jørgens baptism:

1740
No. 13. d. 22. Juny Blev Huusm[and] Christen Hansens Søn af Pollerup døbt og
kaldet Jørgen . Baaren af Hans Svendsens datter Metthe af R.lille
Faddere: Bent Jensen og Jens Andersen af Poller, Hans Skrædders
hustru Anna ibid. og Gyde Andersdatter af R.bye

No. 13. June 22th. was Smallholder Christen Hansens son of Poller baptized and
called Jørgen. Carried by Metthe the daughter of Hans Svendsen in K.lille
Witnesses: Bent Jensen and Jens Andersen of Poller. Hans [the] Taylors
wife Anna ibid [also of Poller] and Gyde Andersdatter of R.bye.

Your new finds:

1743
No. 22. Festo: Evang: Joh: Blev Gdm. Christen Hansens Søn af Poller
døbt og kaldet Peder: bar: af Niels Pedersen Bagges Hustru: Maren
i Raabyelille: fadd: Niels Pedersen: ibid: Rasmus Winther i Poller,
Henning Bild ibid:, Lars Andersens hustru Ana i  R:bye og Rasmus
Christensens Daatt. Giertrud i Poller
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-894W-YH23?i=69&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

1745
No. 30. Dom: 22de. p. Trin: Blev Christen Hansen og Anne Pedersdatters
Søn af Poller: døbt og kaldet Hans baar: af Rasmus Jensens hustru
Bodild ibid: fadd: Anders Svendsen, Hans Skræd[d]er ibid, Peeter
Jensens Møllers ved Landsteed, Henning Bild
ibid: og Sidse Jensdatter ibid.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-YCL7?i=72&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

1749
No. 1. Fest: Grat: d. 11te Febr: Blev Gaardmand Christen Hansen og
Anna Pedersd: Søn af Poller døbt og kalder Hans: baar af Lars
Andersens hustru: Anna af R:bye. fadd: Lars Henningsen af Poller
Peiter Jensen Møller ved Landsteed, Heming PedersenBilds hustru
Karen af Poller, Niels Pedersens hustru Kirsten af Raabylille.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-YCBY?i=75&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

1741
No. 1. d. 9. Febr. havde Enkemanden Christen
Hansen af Poller trolovelse med Anna
Pedersdatter ibid.Skiftebrev loves til bryllups
dagen, og at saa intet er som forestaaende
Ægteskab kand hindre caverer undertegnede
Dannemænd.
                    NPS                                                LAS
Niels Pedersen af Roebyelille    Lars Andersen af R:bye
                                                           Copulerede d. 22. Martÿ
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-YDSG?wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

Kind Regards

Karin

[Karin Andersen]

Hi again 

Christen Hansens wife dies in January 1741. So Anna Pedersdatter is not Jørgens mother. You need to find Christens previous marriage in order to find Jørgens mothers name.

1741
N:3 Fest Epiph: Christen Hansens hustru af Poller.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17116534#152539,25397481

Kind Regards 

Karin

[Ric Rasmussen]

That is great, Karin!  Thank you so much.  I will look for that marriage.

Ric

[Ric Rasmussen]

I think this may be Christen's first marriage.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94W-YDN3?i=210&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

#5 bottom left.  Could this please be transcribed?

Are the letters at the bottom of each entry the initials of the witnesses?  Would the witnesses have written them in the book themselves?  In this case it would appear that the witnesses could have been the fathers of the bride and groom.  Is that a safe assumption?

Thanks,

Ric

[Karin Andersen]

Hi Ric  

1737
5) d. 3. April hafde Enkemanden af Pollerup Christen
Hansøn trolovelse med en pige fra Wested ved nafn
Margrethe Hansdatter. Skiftest efter den afdøde var
endda icke holdt men af forvalteren til videre
tilladt at begive sig i nyt Ægteskab og at så intet
videre er som dette ægteskab kand hindre caverer un
dertegnede Dan[n}e mænd
       LAS                      HS Hans Jensen
Lavs Andersen
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94W-YDN3?i=210&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

1737
5) April 3th the widower of Pollerup Christen
Hansen had his bethothal with a girl (maid?) from Wested named
Margrethe Hansdatter. The (I forgot the word-the action where his and his former wifes belongings are summarized and how they are shared) after the deceased had not yet been held but the "caretakers" had
allowed him to enter a new marriage and that nothing
was to hinder that marriage are signed by etc.

I wish I could tell you for sure that the signatures was written by the witnesses - they might be.
Beware that most people at that time was not able to write. The "letters" LAS and HS I would believe was written by the witnesses. Believe the names was written by someone else - until you can prove otherwise- and you might be able to, if for example the priests handwriting in the church book changes, but those mens signatures stays the same or you find the same handwritten names as their signatures in other parers.

Kind regards  

Karin

[Ric Rasmussen]

Karin,

Thank you.  I was wondering if the witnesses wrote the "letters" since those do appear to be different handwriting than the priest.  Seems like they probably were.  Do you think they were the fathers?  Is that likely?

So this marriage happened in 1737.  And Christen was a widower.  Wow.  So this marriage was at least his second marriage? And the one we found previously in 1741 was at least his third marriage?  Is that how you understand it?

Margrethe Hansdatter then is probably the wife that died in 1741 and probably the mother of Jørgen Christensen?  Does that logic seem right?

Thanks,

Ric

[Karin Andersen]

Hi Ric 


I would believe they wrote the letters too. No guarantee though. It would only bee a guess if the witnesses are their fathers. In this case it would only be one of them. Usually the witnesses would be really close family but it might also have been an employer. It´s not that easy to know. You´ll have to prove it. If they appear as witnesses to former or future church event or if you can find them as fathers in the baptism of the groom or bride.

You need to keep in mind, that in those days we did not have a lot of names available. In one parish you might be able to find 10-20 people named Christen Hansen. Often you´ll have to distinguish them by their trade or place name.

Yes, your Christen was married at least 3 times and Margrethe Hansdatter would be the mother of Jørgen. 

Kind regards 

Karin

[Ole Brodersen]

Hi Ric.
Soldier Christen Hansen from Pollerup was married 24/11-1733 in Keldby with Anna Hansdatter.
Anna Hansdatter died and was burried 9/2-1737.

Then he married Margrethe Hansdatter, who must be your ancester as Karin also have found. Severel of his children died. bu look yourselv.

Kind regards

Jeanne Raae Brodersen

[Ric Rasmussen]

Karin,

Thank you again for that information.  That was very helpful.

Jeanne,

Thank you for the information you provided.  I had found the marriage record for Christen Hansen the soldier but couldn't tell that he was from Pollerup.  I will look for Anna's death record and any children that might have been born to them.

I don't understand the military part very well.  Would he have been living at his home in Pollerup as a soldier?  Or was he possibly from somewhere else but stationed there and then got married?

Here is the marriage record.  Could I get some help with the transcription?

#10 top left
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-Y82Y?i=206&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

Thank you again,

Ric

[Ole Brodersen]

Dear Ric
24/11-1733 hafde Christen Hansen Soldat under Captein Bechs Campagni trolovelse med en pige ved navn Anna Hansdatter tienende Hans Skomager i Ullemarke. Fri seddel blev medbragt og at intet ere der er til hinder imod Kongens lov caverer vi undertegned Dannemænd.

HHS                      LAS
Hans Hansen          Laurs Andersen


24/11-1733 had Christen Hansen soldier under Bechs Compagni betrotel with a girl named Anna Hansdatter, who earned at Hans Schoomaker in Ullemarke. Free slip was carried and there is nothing to hinder against the Kings law, we sign as Danish menn.

                     HHS                                   LAS
              Hans Hansen                         Laurs Andersen

In that time there was a lot of soldiers on Møn, and there was buildet a lot of Boatshouses for the soldiers, to let them stay at Møn. A lot of them married womens from Møn. I myself also have soldiers comming from Copenhagen to Møn.

About the sign: Only few people could write at that time, so they had to sign with big letters, or have someone who could take their hans and sign it for them.

Kind regards from
Jeanne Raae Brodersen

[Ric Rasmussen]

Thank you, Jeanne.

[Ric Rasmussen]

I believe this is a first son of Christen Hansen and Magrethe Hansdatter.  This family keeps growing.  They were married in 1737, Jørgen was born in 1740 and she died in 1741.  Could I get some help with the transcription please?

#18 right hand side
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-YZSC?i=63&wc=M5KZ-K6B%3A357517501%2C357801401%2C358051401%2C358051402&cc=2078555

Thank you,

Ric