Soren Pedersen illegitimate

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Hello,

Soren Pedersen is the illegitimate child of Peder Jensen Falster and Ane Marie Sorensdatter Ravnsborg.  He is born 17 Nov 1816 Skjold, Vejle, Denmark.

Birth #5: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=169298#169298,28430301

Is someone able to tell me what the far right column says?  It looks like it says she married 30 Nov?

Also, what is the significance of Ravnsborg as part of her name?  I looked in the place names database and I do not understand the results:

Ravnsborg, Birket, Lollands Nørre, Maribo

Ravnsborg, Ukendt, Bornholm lokalitet, Bornholm Kommune

Does this mean she was either born in Maribo, Denmark or Bornholm (as in the small island near Malmo, Sweden)?

[Henrik Brandt]

Hello

This website
http://pergk.synology.me/juliane2/7690.htm
tells that Anne Marie Sørensdatter Ravnsborg, born 1793, was the daughter of Søren Nielsen Ravnsborg, who died 1814 in Klakring.

I have found more about the family here: https://www.brejl.dk/bjerre.html

32 Afkald i Ringstholm i As sogn. 3.7.1821, side 79, 89.
Afkald fra Jørgen Sørensen 28 for arv efter bror Niels Sørensen og efter far Søren Nielsen i Ravnsborg ved FM: Valdemar Nielsen i Hornumkær, Iver Nielsen i Hornum.

33 Afkald i Hellebjerg Mølle. 3.7.1821, side 79, 90.
Afkald fra Jens Bredal Sørensen for arv efter bror Niels Sørensen og efter far Søren Nielsen i Ravnsborg ved FM: Valdemar Nielsen i Hornumkær, Iver Nielsen i Hornum.

34 Afkald i Ravnsborg. 3.7.1821, side 80, 90.
Afkald fra Anders Winther Sørensen for arv efter bror Niels Sørensen og efter far Søren Nielsen i Ravnsborg ved FM: Valdemar Nielsen i Hornumkær, Iver Nielsen i Hornum.

This tells that Anne Marie's 3 brothers in 1821 renounce the inheritance from their brother Niels Sørensen and their father Søren Nielsen in Ravnsborg.

Ravnsborg must have been a place (the family farm?) from which the family members took their surname.

If I google "Ravnsborggård, Klakring sogn" I get 2 results from MyHeritage. So there have been a farm called Ravnsborg/Ravnsborggård in Klakring Parish.

[Henrik Brandt]

Ravnsborggård today:
adress Barritskovvej 23, 7130 Juelsminde
https://map.krak.dk/?c=55.711016,9.928176&z=13&q=%22ravnsborgg%C3%A5rd%22;geo

The right column says: "d. 30. Nov. confirmeret med Hoved Protocollen og sammes Overensstemmelse bevidnes."

This tells that on the 30th of November, the informations from this copy of the churchbook was compared with the other copy and they were identical. From 1814 there were 2 copies of all Danish churchbooks (because of the danger of fires etc.)

[Henrik Brandt]

This is interesting:

Vejle, Bjerre, Barrit, Barrit Sogn, Skowhuuset Rawnsborg, 6, FT-1801, B9166

Navn:    Alder:    Status:    Stilling i familien:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Søren Nielsen     38     Gift     Mand     Skowfoged samt Huusmand med Jord      
Ane Marie Jørgensdatter     39     Gift     Hans Kone           
Jørgen Sørensen     8     Ugift     Deres Børn           
Niels Sørensen     6     Ugift     Deres Børn           
Ane Marie Sørensdatter     4     Ugift     Deres Børn           
Ane Kathrine Sørensdatter     2     Ugift     Deres Børn           
Ane Rasmusdatter     35     Ugift     Tienestefolk           
Jens Nielsen     25     Ugift     Tienestefolk - Mandens Broder           
Maren Sørensdatter     56     Enke     Mandens Moder     Aftægts Kone 

Søren Nielsen was a ranger, living in the "forest house Rawnsborg" in Barrit Parish.

So there must have been 2 places called Ravnsborg: a house in Barrit and a farm in Klakring. Probably very close to each other but in separate parishes.

[Inger Toudal]

The right column says: "d. 30. Nov. confirmeret med Hoved Protocollen og sammes Overensstemmelse bevidnes."

This tells that on the 30th of November, the informations from this copy of the churchbook was compared with the other copy and they were identical. From 1814 there were 2 copies of all Danish churchbooks (because of the danger of fires etc.)

I read:
"d. 30. Nov. confereret med Hoved
Protocollen og sammes Overens-
stemmelse bevidnes."
signed: L Sommerfeldt

This is the Kontraministerialbog kept by the parish clerk, the Hovedministerialbog was kept by the parish priest.



At http://www.krabsen.dk/stednavnebase/ you find a place called Raunsborg in Hedensted kommune.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedensted_Kommune

- I chose the German version because it lists the parishes in Hedensted municipality.

At the time of Søren Pedersen's birth, his mother was staying with Skou Rider Helbech i Kiershuuset,
whose daughter Else Marie was Søren's godmother:

Vejle, Bjerre, Skjold, Schjold Sogn, Kishuuset, 1, FT-1801, B9174
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Knud Helbech     34     Gift      Huusbonde      Skowrider  [head forester]       
Eriche Hedevig Borch     35     Gift      Hans Kone              
Elisabeth Berthelsdatter     4     -      Hendes Datter              
Laurs Berthelsen     3     -      Hendes Søn              
Else Marie Talche Hælbæch     2     -      Deres Datter              
Thomas Mortensen     60     Ugift      Tjenestefolk      Skovfoged        
Maren Sørensdatter     18     Ugift      Tjenestefolk              
Ane Jensdatter     15     Ugift      Tjenestefolk              
Rasmus Nielsen     12     Ugift      Tjenestefolk

Probate extract from https://www.brejl.dk/bjerrezacho.pdf :

427. Søren Nielsen i Ravnsborg, Barrit sogn 1-11-1814, s. 888. E: Anne Marie
Jørgensdatter. LV: Peder [Hansen] Brøndum, Hellebjerg mølle. B: Jørgen 21, Niels
19, Jens Bredahl 13, Anders Winther 11, Anne Marie 17, Anne Cathrine 15. FM.
FARBROR: Valdemar Nielsen, Hornumkier, Iver Nielsen, Hornum. Se lbnr. 464,
465, 466 & 1829.

Skovfoged Søren Nielsen died 28 Sep. 1814 in Ravnsborg, Barrit parish, and was buried 5 Oct.:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17121616#160024,26901290 - left page, top

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Hello

This website
http://pergk.synology.me/juliane2/7690.htm
tells that Anne Marie Sørensdatter Ravnsborg, born 1793, was the daughter of Søren Nielsen Ravnsborg, who died 1814 in Klakring.

I have found more about the family here: https://www.brejl.dk/bjerre.html

Thank you Henrik for all of that information.  I am making my way through all of it.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedensted_Kommune

- I chose the German version because it lists the parishes in Hedensted municipality.

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

Thank you for all of that information Inger. 

I looked at the Wikipedia page and was confused.  When I look at the map of Denmark here: https://www.dis-danmark.dk/kort/kort.htm I do not see Hedensted.  I do see a number of places on the German page (ie: Barrit, Glud, Klakring, etc) that I thought were part of (Bjerre), Vejle?

[Helmer Christiansen]

The map you looked at was current from 1793 until 1970. We had a municipal reform in 1970 and another one in 2007.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Denmark (1970-2006)
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Denmark (from 2007)

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Pefect!  Thank you for explaining that Helmer.