Need help unravelling who is whom

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Hello,

My 3rd great uncle, Lars Peder Andersen married on 19 Oct 1888 in Boeslunde, Slagelse, Soro to Maren Kirstine Olsen.

Marriage #13: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=148464#148464,24534431

The marriage gives the dates of birth for both.  As I already had my great uncle's information I went off in search of Maren Kirstine Olsen's information.

Census 1890 in Boeslunde:
Lars Peder Andersen 27 Gift Husfader Gartner Boeslunde Sogn, Sorø Amt
Maren Kirstine Olsen 31 Gift Husmoder Medhjælper Drøsselbjerg, Sorø Amt
Ewald Andersen 1 Ugift Barn - Boeslunde Sogn, Sorø Amt
Augustinus Andersen Født 12.5-89 Ugift Barn - Boeslunde Sogn, Sorø Amt

Based on the marriage document and the Census information I think I found her birth record in 3 Nov 1858 Drøsselbjerg, Løve, Holbæk on 3 Nov 1858.  The Census record indicates Drøsselbjerg, Sorø  but I found her birth record in Drøsselbjerg, Holbæk.

Birth #11: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=203432#203432,38580911

When I look at the birth record it appears that her father is Hans Peder Olsen and her mother is Margrethe Nielsdatter? Pedersdatter?

If she is Margrethe Nielsdatter they married 18 Jul 1858 Drøsselbjerg, Løve, Holbæk, Denmark.  He is age 22 and she is age 29.

Hans and Margrethe marriage #2: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=203432#203432,38580945

The odd thing is that when I went to the Census to see if I could confirm the name of the mother and their children I came across this for 1860:

Parish:   Sæby   District:   Løve
Shire:   Holbæk   Place name:   Sæby
Source entry No:   C4688   Record No.:   311

All members of the household
                                                                                                BirTD place:
Hans Peder Olsen     24     Gift     Hmd, huusfader          Gierslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt 
Margrethe Nielsdatter     30     Gift     Hans kone          Svallerup Sogn, Holbæk Amt 
Ane Marie Nielsen     6     Ugift     Deres barn          Jordløse Sogn, Holbæk Amt 
Marie Christine Olsen     2     Ugift     Stedbarn          Kirke Helsinge Sogn, Holbæk Amt

What confuses me (maybe these people are just a coincidence): the names are correct for the parents, and their age gap is correct, but Marie Christine Olsen (Maren Christine?), who should be about 2 years old, is listed as a step child and also not born in Drosselbjerg?  Is this just a coincidence that the information is so similar to what I am looking for?

I searched the birth record for Ane Marie Nielsen and she is illegitimate and appears to have a mother named Grethe (Margrethe?).  Born on 13 Jul 1854 in Jordløse, Skippinge, Holbæk.

Ane Marie birth #7 : https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=204525#204525,38803598

I could not seem to find my Maren Kirstine Olsen in the Census until 1890 if this 1860 record is not correct.  Any ideas?

[Inger Toudal]

FT-1890, Neble, Boeslunde sogn: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=59517#59517,12196501 - Family No 10
- Maren Kirstine Olsen, born in Drøselbjerg Sogn, Holbek Amt (error in the indexed census!!)

Her birth in the Kontraministerialbog: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114493#149044,24637166 - No 11
- mother is Margrethe Nielsdatter.

FT-1860, Sæby sogn: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=9670#9670,233255 - left page, top
- error in original census: it seems that Ane Marie should be Stedbarn, Marie Christine deres Barn.
- Kirke Helsinge is a neighbouring parish to Drøsselbjerg - slip of the memory?

Ane Marie Nielsen's mother is Grethe (short for Margrethe) Nielsdatter.

Maren Kristine Olsen's confirmation 1872 in Ørslev sogn, Holbæk amt:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17120031#159286,26781500 - No 5

Ane Marie's confirmation 1868 in Ørslev: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17120031#159285,26781347 - No 4

FT-1870, Kragerup, Ørslev sogn, Holbæk amt: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=53817#53817,11856095 (55 - 59)

Holbæk, Løve, Finderup, Finderup Sogn, Kulby By, En Gaard, 11, FT-1880, D2894
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birth place:
Jørgen Pedersen     42     Gift      Husfader, Gårdejer            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Ane Margrethe Pedersen     33     Gift      Hans Hustru            Ørslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Maren Kirstine Pedersen     11     Ugift      Deres Barn            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Karen Marie Pedersen     10     Ugift      Deres Barn            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Elna Sofie Pedersen     9     Ugift      Deres Barn            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Anna Kristine Pedersen     8     Ugift      Deres Barn            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Agnes Kristine Dagmar Pedersen     6     Ugift      Deres Barn            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Sigrid Kristine Pedersen     1     Ugift      Deres Barn            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Maren Larsdatter     74     Enke      Husfaders Moder, der af ham forsørges            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Hans Peder Jensen     19     Ugift      Tjenestefolk            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Hans Olsen     18     Ugift      Tjenestefolk            Slagelse  
Maren Kristine Olsen     21     Ugift      Tjenestefolk            Drøsselbjerg Sogn, Holbæk Amt
Ane Marie Kristensen     18     Ugift      Tjenestefolk            Sæby Sogn, Holbæk Amt  

This could be her mother:

Holbæk, Løve, Gørlev, Gørlev By, En Gaard - Aagaard, 1, FT-1880, D5037
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birth place:
Jørgen Hellemann     66     Ugift      Husfader. Proprietær            Rye Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Marie Magdalene Helens     57     Ugift      Husbestyrerinde            Sørbymagle Sogn, Sorø Amt  
Johan Frederik Vilhelm Hansen     25     Ugift      Gartner            Kalundborg  
Hans Jensen     31     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Bakkendrup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Ane Margrethe Pedersen     35     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Drøsselbjerg Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Ane Marie Sørensen     24     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Kirke Helsinge Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Karen Marie Rasmussen     18     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Johannes Henrik Olsen     39     Gift      Husfader. Forpagter            Roskilde  
Elisabeth Olsen     40     Gift      Hans Kone            København  
Jørgen Hellemann Olsen     10     Ugift      Deres Barn            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Johannes Hellemann Olsen     Under 1     Ugift      Deres Barn            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Margrethe Bangert     31     Ugift      Lærerinde            København  
Johan Philip Muus !!     30     Ugift      Forvalter            Vordingborg  
Thygo Rosmos Thaning     18     Ugift      Landvæsenselev            Finderup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Louise Augusta Wittrock     22     Ugift      Husjomfru            Bregninge Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Anna Cathrine Becker     28     Ugift      Mejerske            Kerteminde  
Ane Nielsen     22     Ugift      Mejerilærling            Hersnap, Dalby Sogn, Odense Amt  
Jens Hansen     29     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Kirke Helsinge Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Jørgen Sørensen     39     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Kirke Helsinge Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Niels Peder Nielsen     22     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Bakkendrup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Christen Jensen     30     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Hallenslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Lars Jakobsen     18     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Frederik Hansen     31     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Gierslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Jens Olsen     16     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Gerlev Sogn, Sorø Amt  
Jørgen Peder Larsen     21     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Hans Peder Nielsen     15     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Maren Sofie Olsen     29     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Svallerup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Sidse Marie Hansen     27     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Ane Marie Olsen     20     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Gerlev Sogn, Sorø Amt  
Maren Sofie Hansen     24     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Gierslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Maren Sofie Kristensen     26     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Hanne Sofie Larsen     24     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Store Fuglede Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Margrethe Nielsen     50     Enke      Tjenestepige            Svallerup Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Gundild Kirstine Kristensen     17     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Ruds Vedby Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Dorthea Sofie Nielsen     14     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Gørlev Sogn, Holbæk Amt

Holbæk, Løve, Gierslev, Løve, 17, 114 - F3, FT-1901, D6311
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birth place:
Christian Johannes Kargh     1838 8/3     Ugift      -      Fattighjælp      Gierslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Jens Peder Olsen     1828 3/1     Enkemand      -      Fattighjælp      Gierslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Johanne Marie Bisser     1830 26/3     Enke      -      Fattighjælp      Kr. Helsinge Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Ane Kirstine Beck     1822 2/2     Enke      -      Fattighjælp      Kr. Helsinge Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Mette Hansdatter     1821 11/12     Enke      -      Fattighjælp      Hallenslev Sogn, Holbæk Amt  
Margrethe Nielsdatter     1829 8/5     Enke      -      Fattighjælp      Svallerup Sogn, Holbæk Amt

Arrived:   1900      Last place of residence:   Solbjerg Sogn. Holbæk Amt
When married:   1857      Spouse dead:   1875   
Living children:   4      Dead children:   1

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[Inger Toudal]

Maybe Maren Christine Olsen had a certificate of baptism (birth certificate) signed in Kirke Helsinge,
and that's why her birth place in FT-1860 and FT-1870 is recorded as Kirkehelsinge?

See https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114493#149044,24637099

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17116618#149040,24636468

- and https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114489#149040,24636468

The two parishes were in the same pastorat: https://www.sa.dk/daisy/arkivskaber_detaljer?a=kirke+helsinge+dr%C3%B8sselbjerg+pastorat&b=&c=&d=1&e=2017&f=&g=&h=&ngid=793654&ngnid=793657&heid=&henid=&epid=&faid=&meid=&m2rid=&side=1&sort=3&dir=a&gsc=&int=&ep=&es=&ed=

I'm sure you've found the right person.

Best regards,
Inger

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Inger, thank you so much for all of that helpful information.  I feel confident I have the right people now and have added a great deal of information to her tree.