Hans Hansen Due

Startet af Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland, 27 Feb 2018 - 09:58

Forrige emne - Næste emne
Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 07 Mar 2018 - 20:12

Here's a Hans b. 1735 in Vestbirk (Østbirk parish), who may have been called Hans Nielsen Due:
http://www.milloup.dk/bf/yd-ost/ydost-1731-39.htm

fol 70: Maren Jensdatters uægte barn af Vestbirk - Hans (Niels Hansen Due)

This is a complicated puzzle.....

Venlig hilsen
Inger

I think I found another child for Niels Hansen Due named Jacob born in Ostbirk but I am not sure if Maren Jensdatter is the mother because I have not found a marriage for either of them yet.

1741
Fol 91
Niels Hansen Dues barn af Monbjerg - Jacob

Jacob birth (20 p Trin 1741): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=172882#172882,29027128

On the same page as Jacob's birth is an illegitimate child of Maren Jensdatter
1741
Fol 91
Maren Jensdatters uægte barn af Østbirk - Jens (Rasmus Rasmussen af Sattrup)

Same Maren?  Different Maren?

#31
And this is what I have so far for Niels Nielsen Due (assuming he is the brother to Hans Nielsen Due born 1735 and Mette Nielsdatter Due).

Possible Marriage
1778 • Lundum, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
soldat Niels Nielsen Due og Anne Marie Frandsdatter begge af Lundum (trolovet og copuleret)

Possible child Maren and her death
1779 • Hansted, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Birth husmand Niels Dues hjemmedøbte barn af Rådved - Maren and death Niels Dues Maren - 3 dage

Possible child Frands
About 1780 • Skanderborg, Denmark
Not sure where this child was born or to which mother but he died in 1782 in Hansted

Possible death of 1st wife (Anne Marie Frandsdatter??)
1781 • Hansted, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
husmand Niels Nielsen Dues hustru af Rådved - 33 år

Possible 2nd marriage
1781 • Hansted, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
enkemand og husmand Niels Nielsen Due og Kirsten Nielsdatter af Rådved (trolovet og copuleret)

Possible death of son Frands
1782 • Hansted, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
husmand Niels Nielsen Dues søn Frands af Rådved - 2 år

Possible child Niels
1782 • Hansted, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
husmand Niels Nielsen Dues barn af Rådved - Niels

Possible death of unnamed child
1784 • Hansted, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
husmand Niels Dues barn af Rådved - (navn mv mangler)

Residence (where is he?)
1787 • Skanderborg, Denmark

Possible child Peder and his death
1788 • Lundum, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Birth Niels Nielsen Dues barn af Lundumskov - Peder and death indsidder Niels Nielsen Dues søn Peder af Lundumskov - 9 uger

Possible child Maren
1790 • Lundum, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
indsidder Niels Dues barn af Lundumskov - Maren

Possible child Anne Marie
1793 • Lundum, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Niels Dues og Kirsten Nielsdatters barn af Lundum - Anne Marie

Possible child Anne Cathrine and her death
1799 • Lundum, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Birth Niels Dues og Kirsten Nielsdatters barn af Lundum - Anne Cathrine and death 1800 Niels Dues datter Anne Cathrine af Lundum - 21 uger

I found a Niels Nielsen in the 1787 Census in Lundum as follows:
Year:   FT-1787   Source reference:      
Household No:      
Name:   Niels Nielsen      Gender:   M   
Age:   36      Civil status:   Gift   
Position in household:   husbonde      Occupation:   husfæster og daglejer   
No of marriage:   2   
Parish:   Lundum   District:   Voer
Shire:   Skanderborg   Place name:   Lundum Skov By
Source entry No:   C4108   Record No.:   256

His age gives him a birth year of about 1751 which would make him age 17 for the baptism of Anna Nielsdatter Due in 1768.  Would he have been old enough to witness a baptism at age 17?

1768
fol 7b
Hans Nielsen Dues barn af Lundumskov - Anne

Witnesses: Mette Due of Lundum, Hans Nielsen Uugarmand? and his son Niels, Niels Nielsen Due and Maren Mickelsdatter? of Lundum.

Inger Toudal

#32

Skanderborg, Voer, Lundum, Lundum by, , , FT-1787, C4108
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:      
Hans Nielsen     56     Gift      mand      indsidder, daglejer   [1st marriage]        
Karen Hansdatter     58     Gift      hans kone  

Hans was possibly registered twice in the 1787 census:

Skanderborg, Nim, Tamdrup, Bemelte Wrønding Bye, , 7, FT-1787, B2081
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Mette Jacobsdatter     62     Enke      madmoder      Bonde kone og gaardbeb.       
Jacob Jensen     14           Hendes børn             
Mette Jensdatter     15           Hendes børn             
Ane Jensdatter     12           Hendes børn             
Hans Due     54     Gift      Tienestekarl   [Number of marriage not mentioned] 

Skanderborg, Voer, Lundum, Lundum Skov Bye, , 17, FT-1801, b8507
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:    
Hans Due     65     Gift      Mand      Inderste og dagleijer        
Karen Hanses     70     Gift      Kone

I think you may very well have found the siblings of Hans Nielsen Due in the 1787 census:

Skanderborg, Voer, Lundum, Lundum by, , , FT-1787, C4108
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Mette Nielsdatter     53     Enke      kone      indsidder, daglejer  [1st marriage]  
Anna Christensdatter     14     Ugift      hendes barn  

Skanderborg, Voer, Lundum, Lundum Skov By, , , FT-1787, C4108
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Niels Nielsen     36     Gift      husbonde      husfæster og daglejer   [2nd marriage]      
Kirsten Nielsdatter     29     Gift      madmoder              
Niels Nielsen     5     Ugift      deres barn

The prerequisite for being witness at a baptism was that you had been confirmed:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Church_Records#Confirmations_.5BKonfirmation.5D

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark:_Confirmation_Records#Background

Venlig hilsen
Inger
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Citat fra: Jannie Dyrup [56551] Dato 10 Mar 2018 - 10:55
This is very very good stuff, Inger :)

Do we know where Anne Sophie Sørensdatter is born? I have been trying to find her - hoped to find her in Horsens, but no

I searched the transcripts for Yding, Ostbirk, Lundum and Hansted.  I also searched Nim.

According to her probate records she was born and died in Monberg suggesting Ostbirk.

The interesting thing about her is that in the 1801 Census she is listed Anne Sophie Jensdatter but in all of the birth records for each of her 7 children she is always Sorensdatter so I think the Census must have been a mistake.

#34
Is someone able to confirm if the entry for 13 Mar 1816 on the left side of the page has anything to do with Anne Sophie Sorensdatter's probate?  There is mention of a Bodil Marie Sorensdatter married? to Soren Andersen?  There is a Soren Pedersen involved with the probate of Anne Sophie but I am not clear how he is related to her.  Is Bodil Marie perhaps sister to Anne Sophie?

Anne Sophie Sorensdatter probate: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=141590#141590,34653579

#35
Sorry, I think Inger found the answers.

Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 15 Mar 2018 - 18:29

I think you may very well have found the siblings of Hans Nielsen Due in the 1787 census:

Skanderborg, Voer, Lundum, Lundum by, , , FT-1787, C4108
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Mette Nielsdatter     53     Enke      kone      indsidder, daglejer  [1st marriage]  
Anna Christensdatter     14     Ugift      hendes barn  

Skanderborg, Voer, Lundum, Lundum Skov By, , , FT-1787, C4108
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Niels Nielsen     36     Gift      husbonde      husfæster og daglejer   [2nd marriage]      
Kirsten Nielsdatter     29     Gift      madmoder              
Niels Nielsen     5     Ugift      deres barn

The prerequisite for being witness at a baptism was that you had been confirmed:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Church_Records#Confirmations_.5BKonfirmation.5D

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark:_Confirmation_Records#Background

Venlig hilsen
Inger

Thank you Inger!  I think you already told me about confirmation rules and I just keep forgetting.  You are so invaluable.

I think I found the marriage for Niels Hansen Due and Maren Jensdatter in Ostbirk, Voer, Skanderborg.

fol 67
Niels Hansen og Maren Jensdatter (copuleret)

Fastelavn Sondag (3 Mar 1737) here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=172882#172882,29027104

It is difficult to read the entry but it is on the left page near the bottom in the box on the right, 1st entry.

Inger Toudal

#38

I read:

Brudefolk 1737 - i Bierk Sogn og Yding S:

Fastelauns Søndag haf[de]
Niels Hanss. og Maren Jen[sd.]
Brøllup.

Think you're right that it's Niels Hansen Due being married 1737, and that he had a son Jacob born 1741.

Best regards,
Inger
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal