Betrothal/Marriage Record for Hans Sorensen and Sophie Ottesdatter

Startet af Kerry Larson, 26 Apr 2018 - 02:14

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Kerry Larson

I'd like to ask for translation help for this betrothal(?) record between Hans Sorensen and Sophie Ottesdatter in Store Tåstrup, Holbæk on 4 Jan 1783, first entry after 1783:
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?side=158&bsid=156933&kb=Holb%C3%A6k+amt%2CMerl%C3%B8se%2C+Store+T%C3%A5strup%2C+1765-1800+FVD+%28EM%29
What does the remainder of the entry say?  Thank you.

Edit:  Also at http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?side=97&bsid=156931&kb=Holb%C3%A6k+amt%2CMerl%C3%B8se%2C+Store+T%C3%A5strup%2C+1764-1803+FVD+%28EM%29.  What is the difference between these two entries?

Ole Westermann

My translation:

Betrothal January 4  -  Marriage Dom.3 p Epiph. (Jan. 26)
Bachelor Hans Sørensen and girl Sophie Ottes Datter of Ordrup
Best men: Otte Olsen of Merløse and Pe(de)r Knudsen of Ordrup.

And there is no difference from the other book.
In 1813 it was ordered to write 2 books, one kept by the vicar and one by the clerk, so if a fire
came up in one of them, there would be one left.
But in some parishes this had been practised before that time, as vicarage fires were not unusual.

Ole

Kerry Larson

Ole, thanks so much for your translation help and the education regarding the church books.

Since Otte was a fairly uncommon name, is there a possibility that Otte Olsen was her father?  Would that have been unusual for a father to be a best man? 

Kerry Larson

#3
I think this record suggests, but doesn't prove, that Sophie was the second daughter named Sophie of Otte Olsen.  It shows a daughter of Otte Olsen named Sophie in Testrup, Holbæk, Denmark who was born and died in 1748.  So the Sophie in the marriage record could be a second daughter with that name.

http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?side=111&bsid=156930&kb=Holb%C3%A6k+amt%2CMerl%C3%B8se%2C+Store+T%C3%A5strup%2C+1721-1763+FVD+%28EM%29
(Second from bottom on left)

Edit1:  What I know of 2nd Sophie, born from 1756 to 1759:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ottesdatter-49

Edit2:  Possible death record of Otte Olsen in 1783, six months after the wedding:  http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?side=187&bsid=156933&kb=Holb%C3%A6k+amt%2CMerl%C3%B8se%2C+Store+T%C3%A5strup%2C+1765-1800+FVD+%28EM%29

Kerry Larson

Whoops.  There's another Otte Olsen in Store Tåstrup, Holbæk, born in 1719 and died in 1795.  That would make more sense age-wise as a father of Sophie Ottesdatter.
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=156933&side=196&height=949

Ole Westermann

Yes, Otte Olsen is probably her father.
Your 2. link is Otte Olsens daughter Sophie buried 3 weeks old in 1748
But the baptism of Sophie born ca. 1757-61 isn't there - maybe forgotten??

Edit2: 1783, 20 Junii Otte Olsen of Mærløse (buried) - age 78* years   (*prob. very wrong! see below)
And in 1795, D.21 p Trinit. it is Otte Olsens widow Kirstine Pedersdatter, who is buried. Died Oct.19, age 76

Burial
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=156930#156930,26315628 left
1759 1ma p Trin. Ottes Moder (mother) af Mærløse nafnl. (namely) Karen - age 84 (i.e. born ca. 1675)

Betrothal (marriage not there)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=156930#156930,26315648 left down
1747 Dom. 21 p.Trin. (Oct.22) Otte Olsen og Kirstine Pedersdtr af Mierløse forl(ovet)

I found these children: 1748 SOPHIE (died) - 1749 OLE - 1753 HANS - 1756 PEDER 
                                                                  The sons are all 3 in the 1787 census (Peder as Per) in the parish.

At http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_oeders.asp
Kilde:   OE-1771
Mandens navn:   Otte Olsen   Mandens erhverv:   Huusmand (smallholder)
Mandens alder (age):   50   Mandens civilstand:   Gift (married)
Mandens nr. ægteskab:   1   Hustrus alder (Wifes age):   48
Hustrus civilstand:   Gift   Hustrus nr. ægteskab:   1
Sogn:   Store Taastrup   Herred:   Merløse
Amt:   Holbæk
Indtastningsnr:   C3735   Løbenr.:   108

CENSUS Holbæk, Merløse, Store Taastrup, Ordrup, , 138, FT-1787, B0068
Hans Sørensen     31     Gift     Mand     Bonde og husmand      
Sophie Ollesdatter*  31     Gift     Kone     
               *Ottesdatter

CENSUS Holbæk, Merløse, Store Taastrup, Ordrup, 20, 167, FT-1801, C1288
Hans Sørensen     47     Gift     Mand     Huusmd med Jord      
Sophie Ottesdatter  41     Gift     Hans Kone           
Rasmus Hansen     9     Ugift     Deres Børn           
Kristian Hansen     4     Ugift     Deres Børn 

Ole

Ole Westermann

#6
Marriage OO & KP at https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=156930#156930,26315660
1747  D.3.Adv. (Dec. 17) Otte Olsen og Kirstine Persdtr af Mierløse

Here is the confirmation 1777 in Ugerløse church of Sophia Ottesdatter af Mærløse 17 years
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=158136#158136,26555246 left and first in 1777,
so she was born in Merløse ca. 1760-61.

Here she is https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=156930#156930,26315594 left near bottom
1760 Fest. Omnium Sanctorum (Nov.1) Otte Olsens daughter of Mærløse and named SOPHIA.
Claus Eliasens wife ibd carried her. Witnesses: Claus Eliasen, Søren Nielsen, Per Hugger, Thue Erichsen and
Hans Sørensens wife, all of Mærløse.

And I found OO & KP had a son Rasmus in 1763, Dom.10 p. Trin. (opslag 87).

Kerry Larson

Wow!!!  Thank you so much Ole!!  That is incredibly generous of you to not only translate and interpret those records, but find all of those additional records.