Peder Jensen 1768 & Maren Larsdatter Schibsbye, Sankt Olai, Vennebjerg,Hjørring

Startet af Cyndilou, 15 Maj 2018 - 17:35

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Cyndilou

Hello,
I'm looking for help in finding what I can about the family of Peder Jensen and Maren Larsdatter in Schibsbye.
All I have on this family is this census:
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1550007

I've gone through the marriages in Sankt Olai parish without any luck finding them.
Any help finding other records would be greatly appreciated.  

thank you
Cyndi


Inger Toudal


Son Jens born 1794:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548454 - left page, Octobr d 13

Son Lars born 1799:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548458 - left page, Janv: 18de

Daughter Else Marie born 1802:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548460 - right page, D 17 Mart:

Daughter Ellen Marie born 1805:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164084,27548555 - left page, D 25 Aug.

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Hjørring Købstad, Hjøring, Østergaden, 139 F1, FT-1834, C5684
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Peder Jensen Skippershøi     71     Gift            Dagleier       
Maren Laursdatter     69     Gift            hans Hustrue       

Maren Larsdatter, Peder (Jensen) Skippershøi's widow, died 27 Jul. 1836:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17148227#188589,31876887 - left page

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123824#164085,27548769 - right page, top

Peder Jensen Skippershøi died 24 Oct. 1835:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123824#164085,27548758 - left page, No 234

Best regards,
Inger Toudal
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Inger Toudal


Seems they were married 4 Jul. 1794  in Hjørring Sankt Hans parish:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548437

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548440 - right page, Maj d: 26de

- he was born in Skippershøy, if I read correctly.

Skipperhøj is a place name in Astrup parish, Vennebjerg district, Hjørring county.

- source: http://www.krabsen.dk/stednavnebase/

Best regards,
Inger
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Cyndilou

Ingar,

Thank you very much.  This helps a great deal.  ;)

I see what I did wrong....I was just looking in Sankt Olai for the marriage record. 

Gratefully,
Cyndi

Cyndilou

#4
Revisiting this post.  
It looks like previously I was looking for the wrong wife.  I want to add all the new information I have on this family and ask for any advice anyone on this forum is willing to share.  

The Peder I'm looking for was not married to Maren Larsdatter but instead Anne Marie Poulsdatter.  

Now seeking the following information:

1.  Death date and place of Anne Marie Poulsdatter (see below – we did find a probate)
2.  Date and place of 2nd marriage to Maren Jensdatter (see below – we did find the birth of a son 1812 and a census that proves this union)
3.  correct Confirmation record for Peder if possible

ALL THE INFO I CURRENTLY HAVE ON THIS FAMILY:

Peder Jensen Sort
born Tornby, Hjorring 1770 Father Jens Nielsen, Mother Inger Nielsdatter

Peder was born in Tornby, Hjorring, lived in Skisby, Sankt Olai, Hjorring and ends up in Rubjerg.  

Peder has 3 brothers: Niels, Jorgen, and Michel....found in the 1789 Military roll with
Father Jens Nielsen born in 1738.
There were 3 Jens Nielsen's in Tornby.  Figured out the Jens Nielsen born in 1738 would be the correct Jens Nielsen because of confirmation records found for Jens Nielsen SORT
#5 under 1755 along with censuses showing his birth in 1738.
1755 Confirmation of father - Jens Nielsen April 6 1755
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=170607&side=99
Jens Nielsen Sort was baptized Dom 1 p. Trin 1738, the 1st Sunday after Trinity 1738 which was June 8, 1738.

1770 Birth/baptism record of PEDER JENSEN July 1 1770
Parents Jens Nielsen and Inger Nielsdatter  
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645091
Hjørring A., Vennebjerg H., Tornby sogn. 1739FKVD-1798FKVD. Opsl. 5.
1770. 9. Samme dag [1. juli] blev Jens Nielsen (BK2899) og Inger Nielsdatters (BK17291) Barns Daab forkÿndt for Menigheden som tilforn var hiemmedøbt og kaldet Peder.
Peder Christensens hustru (wife)  bar Barnet (carried the child).
Faddere: Anders Lilholt, Christen Thomsen, Jens Olesen, Jens Christensen.


confirmation record for all four brothers:
Confirmation dates with baptism dates  for the 4 brothers in the Tornby records:
* Niels Jensen 1784 #11 Niels Jensen Dom Palm 1766 (March 23, 1766)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645193

* Jorgen Jensen MISSING???? (would love to find this too if anyone else has any luck)

* Michel Jensen 1788 #9  Dom 12 p Trin 1768  (Aug 21 1768)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645194

* This one I either have the wrong Peder Jensen or the age is wrong.  
 Peder Jensen 1790 #7 (right side) age 17 (about 3 years off)    Need correct record
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645194


1789 - Military records
1789 Hov   12= Tornby   Old # none-   New #191   Tornbye   Age 20   height61 or 64   Fuglsig   Svagelieg?  - begiert tiente i Sønderlef. ????   
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18201,1032148
1789  He is in Fugelsig  begiert (wanted)   Tiente i (served in) Søndelef


* 1793 Hov   15= St Olai   no old # why?   141   Tornbye    21   63   Fuglsig - I think   need translation but part says FL = From Levy district no. 12
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18279,1057229
1793  (he's a SAILOR)
Still in Fugelsig    
Fik fri Pas 94 (got free Pass)
S.L. (Sølimit - which means that is transfered to the searolls- which are not online - yet)
Begiert af Godsejeren (wanted by the owner of the Estate)
- and then he is striken out from the roll.    

1795 C Hov   28 = st Olai   MISSING????? From this book  SHOULD BE RIGHT BETWEEN HIS BROTHERS JORGEN AND NIELS
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18292,1059940
"Samme Fader" - same father, as for the last record on the previous page.
from previous roll: Han er streget over i lægdsrullen. Peder Jensen. Tornby. 2x?, 63. Fuglsig. Begæret af godsejeren. (His name is stretched over after demand from his land owner. Meaning not available for military service other than the landowners).

1800 MARRIAGE to Anne Marie Poulsdatter in HJorring, Venn., Hjorring, Denmark (maybe Sankt Catharine)  
Oct 31 1800
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548414
Hjørring A., Vennebjerg H., Sankt Hans og Olai sogn. 1780FKVD-1804FKVD. 42.
1800. 31. okt. viede 28. nov. Peder Jensen (BK17290) her af Byen og Pigen Anne Marie Povlsdatter (BK17492). Forlovere undertegnede:
Niels Christensen og  Niels Jensen 


1801 Census records – Peder and his wife Anne Marie show up in different places for this census

1801 Peder Jensen (married living with employer)
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1519102
This census shows Peder living with his employer....
131   Peder Jensen Sort   Male   29   1772   Married   Tjenestefolk
note he is married but his wife is not there. His wife is living with her mother in this census:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=26146#26146,2897191
1801 Census Anne Marie Poulsdatter (living with her mother): Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Hjørring Købstad, Østergade 91, , 117, FT-1801, B8161
Maren Andersdatter 63 Enke Tilleje boende Haandarbejde
Anne Marie Poulsdatter 35 Gift(married) Hendes datter

1802 birth of a son:
9 april 1802
Jens Born in Rubjerg  
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=166795&side=42    
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=166797&side=97                   
brother Jorgen Jensen Sort is witness

1810 Death of 1st wife Anne Marie Poulsdatter still needed
Found probate for Anne Marie Poulsdatter --- Anne Marie's probate:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=193623#193623,32457334
The date they start the probate is November 28 1810, and it is not completed until January 12 1811.
looked in the church records in both Rubjerg and Maarup (same book), but she is not there
So either they forgot to note her burial in the church book, or she died somewhere else, but I would think that it would have been noted, if she died somewhere else

18??   2nd wife Maren Jensdatter NEED RECORD
no marriage record but here is the birth and confirmation record of a son:

1812 Birth of a son with Maren Jensdatter
Christen Pedersen 6 Nov 1812
BIRTH record: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=166795&side=57
Confirmation 1826?:  http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=166797&side=102
Brother of Peder, Jorgen Jensen Sort is a witness
      
1834 Census in Rubjerg
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid3127523
1834 census in Rubjerg Hjorring
269 Peder Jensen Sort Male 64 1770 Married Boelsmand lever af sin jordlod
270 Maren Jensdatter Female 62 1772 Married Hans kone
271 Christen Pedersen Male 22 1812 Single

1840 Census in Rubjerg
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid4271631
Maren Jensdatter and Peder Jensen in Rubjerg 1840
In 1840 he is retired (aftægtsmand) and tennant (inderste) - living in a house, he didn´t own.
He is married to Maren Jensdatter.
In 1845 he is a widow living with his son Christen Pedersen and family.

1845 Census in Rubjerg
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid5324318
Census Year 1845 Name Peder Jensen Age 75
County Hjørring Hundred Vennebjerg Parish Rubjerg Placename Ruberg Bye
Born date 1770 Born Place Rubjerg sogn (this is INCORRECT - military records show born in Tornby. Possibly the census taker just assumed since this family has been long known to be from Sortfelt which is in Rubjerg. But they trafveled to Tornby then Sankt Olai and then son's returned to Sortfelt)
108   Christen Pedersen   Male   33   1812   Married   Husmand lever ene af sin jord
109   Zidsel Rasmusdatter   Female   36   1809   Married   Hans kone
110   Peder Christensen   Male   8   1837   Single   Deres barn
111   Rasmus Peter Christensen   Male   6   1839   Single   Deres barn
112   Peder Jensen   Male   75   1770   Widow   Mandens fader aftægtsmand

1846 Death in Rubjerg:
From Sortfelt died 23 Feb 1846 age 76
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/churchbook/sogn430/churchlisting135513/opslag14685221

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Military rolls for his son Jens:
(didn't find any rolls for 2nd son Christen)
1801 J Tilg
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18300,1061643

17=Rubjerg
image # 34   Old # (none)   New #K95   Birthplace Rubjerg  Born 9 April 1802
Father Peder Jensen
Jens

And
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18301,1061898

1803 A Hov  17=Rubjerg  image 134 Old #K95 New #66
   
Thanks
Cyndi