Please Help Find My Family - Reimath

Startet af bepositive, 17 Maj 2018 - 05:43

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Niels Just Rasmussen

#31
Citat fra: bepositive [57229] Dato 19 Maj 2018 - 08:29
Citat fra: Verner Bentsen [62] Dato 19 Maj 2018 - 07:48
Here is another Rasmus Nielsen

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/178671435

I was very excited by that, :( only theyre buried together which means that might just be a dead end, as my ane marie/ mary ann went on to marry twice more and be buried as a Mary Ann Rasmussen


It seems that this could very well be the pair Rasmus Nielsen & Ane Marie Hansen (married Nielsen) that went to New Zealand in 1873 and which I found in the Danish emigration- and NZ immigration records.

As your Ane Marie (MaryAnn) was married with Mr. Signal it is highly likely that this is another family than yours.
The grave records stats sons born 1874 AND 1880!
But your Ane Marie should have (re?-)married in 1875.

Niels Just Rasmussen

#32
New Strategy:

Her father is recorded as "William Reimath".
The Danish equivalent would be Vilhelm if her daughter translated the name directly when coming to NZ.
Her mother is recorded as Emily Sorrensen - that should be Emilie Sørensen or Sørensdatter.

The name "Reimath" could be the following combinations which I have found in Denmark:
Reimart, Reimert, Reimer, Reimers, Reimuth (found by Inger) and possibly other variations.

An origin for the father in Slesvig-Holsten or Germany is quite possible with that name.

The is one Reimert from Slesvig which goes to the US in 1871. Otherwise the Danish protocols lists 18 Reimers and 46 Reimer.
None of these to NZ.

The problem is that if they went with a German ship from Hamburg (or Bremen) - first to GB and then on to NZ - they would often be listed as "Germans" (and not Danish) when arriving in NZ. Have seen several examples of this to the US.


Verner Bentsen

Name: Rasmus Neilsen
Birth Date: abt 1839
Age: 65 Yrs
Birth Place: Vordenborg ( Vordingborg )
Former Nationality: Danish
Occupation: Settler
Residence City: Makairo
Naturalisation Date: 11 Jul 1904

Attached Cemetery record, Stratford
Row 3, # 309
By daughter M. Bennett. No dates.

Verner Bentsen

Punjaub Ship: 570 tons Captain: Renaut Surgeon Superintendent: Sailed London 3rd June 1873 - arrived Lyttelton 20th September 1873

Nielson
   •   Rasmus 34 Denmark Farm Labourer
   •   Ane M. 33
   •   Rasmine 7 Blind?
   •   Pauline 3

Niels Just Rasmussen

#35
Citat fra: bepositive [57229] Dato 18 Maj 2018 - 00:02
Her second marriage was to my great grandfather Robert Signal 5th October 1875 in Wanganui, New Zealand.

Something quite weird.
I searched on https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ for Robert Signal.

Found a marriage in 1875 - registration number 1875/138.
But the only Robert Signal in the marriage record until 1920 is getting married to Matilda Smith?

Maybe their site doesn't have all NZ marriages or there are two Robert Signal [unusual name though] where one of them got married outside NZ?

BUT an Anna Neilson & and a Rasmuss Nielson are also married in 1875 - registration number 1875/1715.
- they must then be another pair than the one arriving in 1873, that already were married in Denmark.
- or he marries again (!) with a women with almost the same name as his first wife from Denmark? [so many Danish women were named Ane/Anne].

I found the marriage of Rasmus Rasmussen in 1889/2625, but to Mary Signell [not Signal].

No other Signell married before 1889, and of the female "Signal" marriages an Ann Signal is married to John Fraser in 1882, but no Mary or the like.

So something is not quite right here.....


Gitte Johansen


Citat fra: Verner Bentsen [62] Dato 19 Maj 2018 - 14:59
Punjaub Ship: 570 tons Captain: Renaut Surgeon Superintendent: Sailed London 3rd June 1873 - arrived Lyttelton 20th September 1873

Nielson
   •   Rasmus 34 Denmark Farm Labourer
   •   Ane M. 33
   •   Rasmine 7 Blind?
   •   Pauline 3



1870

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-RQ6P-Q?i=321&cc=2778656

Pauline

nr. 20

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=152513#152513,25391557

Ane Marie Hansen


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=158112#158112,26550685
Venlig hilsen
Gitte Johansen 8520 Lystrup

gittejohansen(snabel a)rocketmail.com

Niels Just Rasmussen

#37
There is a Mattie Marie Reimart [?Mette Marie Reimert/Reimart?] married in 1875/2261 married to John Davis Collard.
No Reimath, Reimuth, Reimer in the database (and only 1 Reimers from 1933).

There is actually a Mary Ann Signal born of Robert Signal & Elisabeth in 1863/11338.
This pair also gets two NR [not recorded?] children in 1861 and 1865, George in 1859, William in 1868, Eliza in 1870.

Another Robert Signal (or the same) with Mary gets Matilda in 1885.

Marriages with a Robert Signal:

1) 1851/1398 with Elisabeth Brouger
2) 1875/138 with Matilda Smith
The same or two different Robert Signal?

The pair Robert Signal & Mary that gets Matilda in 1885 I suspect - since the child is also named Matilda - that Matilda Smith might also have the name Mary?
Would a later wife call her child after the name of the husbands earlier wife?  


So Rasmus Rasmussen whom married Mary Signell in 1889, could actually be Mary Ann Signal, born in 1863, daughter of Robert Signal and Elisabeth?  

bepositive

no no mention of previous marital status on that record sadly.

Niels Just Rasmussen

#39
Following the trace of Mattie Marie Reimart after marriage in 1875 with John Davis Collard:

Two children:
1) 1877/806 - Amy Matilda.
John Davis Collard & Mattie Maria.

2) 1881/17815 - John David.
John David Collard & Mattie Maria.

John David Collard dies 1926/1193. Age 85.
Can't find any death of Mattie Marie in the records.

There is a Mary Reimer, who dies 1922/4599. Age 79 years [born ~1843].
 

Niels Just Rasmussen

We have a Welheim [perhaps Vilhelm] Reimer, who dies 1886/3395. Age 60 [so born 1826].
To "young" perhaps, but Mary Reimer [died 1922] was born ~ 1843, which would make him 16-17 years old if he was her father.

But ages often can be wildly off at death, if people lied themselves younger at arrival.   

bepositive

Ok so apparently...my uncle has located the birth name being Mary Reimath, her parents are believed to be William and Emily (nee Sorrenson) Reimath
She was also married to a NR Nelson, so the spelling was way off there.
Robert Signal then Rasmus Rasmussen

I will now begin my search back here in NZ to see if I can locate them in our local searches

bepositive

It looks as though the information I can find through fmaily trees now is that William and Emily both were born and Died in Denmark.

bepositive

Citat fra: Niels Just Rasmussen [56358] Dato 19 Maj 2018 - 17:50
Citat fra: bepositive [57229] Dato 18 Maj 2018 - 00:02
Her second marriage was to my great grandfather Robert Signal 5th October 1875 in Wanganui, New Zealand.

Something quite weird.
I searched on https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ for Robert Signal.

Found a marriage in 1875 - registration number 1875/138.
But the only Robert Signal in the marriage record until 1920 is getting married to Matilda Smith?

Maybe their site doesn't have all NZ marriages or there are two Robert Signal [unusual name though] where one of them got married outside NZ?

BUT an Anna Neilson & and a Rasmuss Nielson are also married in 1875 - registration number 1875/1715.
- they must then be another pair than the one arriving in 1873, that already were married in Denmark.
- or he marries again (!) with a women with almost the same name as his first wife from Denmark? [so many Danish women were named Ane/Anne].

I found the marriage of Rasmus Rasmussen in 1889/2625, but to Mary Signell [not Signal].

No other Signell married before 1889, and of the female "Signal" marriages an Ann Signal is married to John Fraser in 1882, but no Mary or the like.

So something is not quite right here.....



You are so right! It's so strange and I just cant get my head around any of it as there dont seem to be any documents to back it all up

bepositive

Citat fra: Niels Just Rasmussen [56358] Dato 19 Maj 2018 - 12:55
New Strategy:

Her father is recorded as "William Reimath".
The Danish equivalent would be Vilhelm if her daughter translated the name directly when coming to NZ.
Her mother is recorded as Emily Sorrensen - that should be Emilie Sørensen or Sørensdatter.

The name "Reimath" could be the following combinations which I have found in Denmark:
Reimart, Reimert, Reimer, Reimers, Reimuth (found by Inger) and possibly other variations.

An origin for the father in Slesvig-Holsten or Germany is quite possible with that name.

The is one Reimert from Slesvig which goes to the US in 1871. Otherwise the Danish protocols lists 18 Reimers and 46 Reimer.
None of these to NZ.

The problem is that if they went with a German ship from Hamburg (or Bremen) - first to GB and then on to NZ - they would often be listed as "Germans" (and not Danish) when arriving in NZ. Have seen several examples of this to the US.


I will look into all these name possibilities thank you so much!

bepositive

Citat fra: Niels Just Rasmussen [56358] Dato 19 Maj 2018 - 18:20
There is a Mattie Marie Reimart [?Mette Marie Reimert/Reimart?] married in 1875/2261 married to John Davis Collard.
No Reimath, Reimuth, Reimer in the database (and only 1 Reimers from 1933).

There is actually a Mary Ann Signal born of Robert Signal & Elisabeth in 1863/11338.
This pair also gets two NR [not recorded?] children in 1861 and 1865, George in 1859, William in 1868, Eliza in 1870.

Another Robert Signal (or the same) with Mary gets Matilda in 1885.

Marriages with a Robert Signal:

1) 1851/1398 with Elisabeth Brouger
2) 1875/138 with Matilda Smith
The same or two different Robert Signal?

The pair Robert Signal & Mary that gets Matilda in 1885 I suspect - since the child is also named Matilda - that Matilda Smith might also have the name Mary?
Would a later wife call her child after the name of the husbands earlier wife?  


So Rasmus Rasmussen whom married Mary Signell in 1889, could actually be Mary Ann Signal, born in 1863, daughter of Robert Signal and Elisabeth?  


Robert Signal was born in 1830 in Trowbridge Wiltshire England
His Parents were William Sidnall And Deborah Allen  both born Circa 1797