Help finding the missing child for Michel Jensen (1768) Hjørring

[Cyndilou]

From many on a facebook forum and this forum I've found a great deal of wonderful information on the family of Michel Jensen Sort and Kirstin Laursdatter.  
But I've hit a snag.  
According to a military record someone kindly read for me, we learned that Michel had 3 children by 1803.

I'm hoping someone may be able to help me find the missing child.
I searched over and over again in the same parish records where I found the other two children and where Michel and Kirstin both lived and died with no success.

I've found only two of the children.  
Missing is one that must have been born between 1801 (1801 census shows 2 children) and 1803 (the military record for 1803 says 3 children).
I'm listing every thing I have so far:

Baptism record for Michel cannot be found in Tornby where the military records say all four brothers were born (records missing)

Parents Jens Nielsen and Inger Nielsdatter derived from finding 4 brothers (Niels, Jorgen, Michel, & Peder) in the military records together – father Jens Nielsen. (listed below in date order)
Then finding the youngest brother, Peder's baptism record with parents Jens Nielsen and Inger Nielsdatter in Tornby. (also listed below in date order)  

Michel's Father: There were 3 Jens Nielsen's in Tornby.  Figured out the Jens Nielsen born in 1738 would be the correct Jens Nielsen because of confirmation records found for Jens Nielsen SORT #5 under 1755 along with censuses showing his birth in 1738.
Confirmation of father Jens Nielsen April 6 1755
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=170607&side=99

1768 Michel's baptism date found in a confirmation record:  21 Aug 1768
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645194

Confirmation dates with baptism dates  for all 4 brothers who were found together in the military records.
Records in the Tornby record books:
* Niels Jensen 1784 #11 Niels Jensen Dom Palm 1766 (March 23, 1766)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645193

* ????Jorgen Jensen MISSING????

* Michel Jensen 1788 #9  Dom 12 p Trin 1768  (Aug 21 1768)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645194

* ????This one I either have the wrong Peder Jensen or the age is wrong in this record.  
 Peder Jensen 1790 #7 (right side) age 17 (about 3 years off)    
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127176#170601,28645194


1789 Hov 12=Tornby   new #190   birthplace:Tornbye   age:22   Height:62 ?   Sønderlef. (Ikke i rullen i 1793) Sønderlev is in Skallerup
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18201,1032148
         
1793 Hov 16 = Skallerup   -     90   S?  15 A 178  15=st Olai   Tornbye   23   62 1/2      FL #12  
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18279,1057234
         
   
Going to 15= St Olai  but by next Roll will be Lægd 28                                          
1793 Tilg   15= St Olai   A178   C134   H 9 C 134   Tornbye   x24   23   62 1/2      FL #16
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18212,1034485
         
1795 C Hov   9= Horne   C134   E214   28 E 214   Tornbye   26   62 1/2      FL 28 _A178  
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18284,1058375
         
1797 E Tilg   28=St Olai   E214            26   62 1/2      SL ???? 1794  FL #9 _134
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18215,1035248

1797 December - Marriage to Kirstine Laursdatter:
Michel Jensen   and Kirsten Laursdatter  Dec 12, 1797 Hjorring, Venn., Hjorring
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548412


1798 F Hov Military record   28=St Olai   E214   151         29   62 1/2      
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18292,1059943
translation of military notes thanks to those in the translating forum



Notes (very blurred - difficult to read):
Fattig, gift og har Børn derfor   (Poor, married and has children, therefore)
forbigaaet   Ss 1800?               (ignored - Session 1800?)
Søevandt, Udt 1794                 (Inured to the sea, taken 1794)
Dimiteret? 2 Julii ei været til     (Dismissed? 2 Julii has not been to)
Skole?           .....? 99               (School?)

and then something about having been ill and not met

I asked - So was he a Navy Man?  
No, I don't think he was in the Navy. - Then he would have been transferred to the sea rolls.
 (however someone else tells me the 1801 Census says he was a sailor)
I had missed the L.S. (Land Soldier) in the 1798 roll.
  So he had probably had some military training and the sent back to the parish.  ~Ole

A little help to the rightmost column:


Poor, married and has children, therefore 
passed by (not drafted).  
Sess. ?
Used to the sea,  ?? ??
?? July? not attended 
school,   merried -99

~Poul


1798  Daughter Inger Marie born in Hjorring June 7, 1798 

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548394

1799  Daughter Else born in Hjorring Oct 5 1799

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17123820#164083,27548396


1801 Census:
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1550981

we are assuming the name for the wife and the birthdate for Michel is wrong in this census because there is a Michel Jensen age 50   1751 (the year is too early but have found many mistakes in the censuses).

Married to an Else Nielsdatter age 48  1753  (must be a mistake in the census - see about Else below) 

with 2 children: 

Inger Michelsdatter born in 1798 in Hjorring 

Else Michelsdatter born 1799 in Hjorring 

The only 2 children we know (from birth records that Michel and Kirstine (not Else) have.  

NOW look at the 2 families #23 and #24 (what do the remarks say for both?)
Both families list a Else Nielsdatter as the wife with same age for wife of Michel Jensen age 50 and Niels ??? age 50
We believe one wife was listed twice by mistake.

1801 census says he is enlisted as a matros / sailor

Facebook friend said,

"There are many errors in the first two census 1787 and 1801. I have read somewhere that an estimated 10-20 % of the population may have been missed. In some parishes, the parish pastor created the census lists from pure memory of his parishioners."

1803 Hov   28=St Olai   213   151   94      Tornbye   33   62 1/2      O.O. 180?
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18301,1061977


151 - 94  Mikkel - Tornbye - 33 - 62½" - Skibsbye
 Søevandt Pat. 261 udt
1794  99 1801 givt 3 Børn  (Like above + 3 children)
mødte Sess 1802               (met at the Session 1802)
  left:
fik Fripas Sess 1806           (got free pass at Session 1806)
         

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1806 Hov   28=St Olai   94 IS MISSING                     

1816 Confirmation of Daughter Inger Marie is # 16 age 19: 

https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/churchbook/sogn425/ churchlisting140233 / opslag15468202


#16 Inger Marie is serving residerende capellan Bjerregaard (a junior pastor), she is 19 years old, she has not been to school, and she has had the natural cows pox.  
A junior pastor (residerende kapellan) assisted the older priest in a larger pastorate with 2-3 parishes.
The two girls were just ordinary maid servants, hired for a fixed period at a time. So Inger was a servant to a Junior Pastor

1816 Confirmation of Elsa same page as Inger Marie #17 age 17:
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/churchbook/sogn425/ churchlisting140233 / opslag15468202


#17 Else is serving kjøbmand Christen Christensen Møller, she is 17 years old, ringe Evner (poor abilities), sin Christendom nogenlunde vel (her knowledge of Christian religion is somewhat acceptable), she has had the natural cows pox.

1822 –Granddaughter born:  Michel's daughter INGER -

There is an unmarried maid servant Inger Marie Mikkelsd. who gave birth Oct 1, 1822 in Hjørring, St. Olai to a daughter Mette Marie, putative father Christen Nielsen from Lendum, maybe serving in Cathrine Mølle?
Here is the birth of Mette Marie (Christenssdatter) in 1822, Hjørring, St. Olai


https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=168505#168505,28295369


1827 I found daughter, Elsa getting married (May 18 1827) the same year her uncle Niels marries his 2nd wife. 
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/churchbook/sogn425/churchlisting140233/research15468230

1831  Granddaughter born: Daughter Inger gave birth:

There is an unmarried Inger Marie Michelsdatter of Høiene who gave birth Apr 17, 1831 in Hjørring, St. Olai to a daughter, Christiane Isachsdatter, putative father Isach Norman, unknown.

And here is the birth of Christiane Isachsdatter in 1831, Hjørring, St. Olai

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=168505#168505,28295382
In 1834, there was just one person by the name Inger Marie Mikkelsdatter (a daughter) in all of Vennebjerg herred, and she was 37 years of age!
In 1845, she is still unmarried, 48 years old, living in the home of a Jens Peter Arvesen, at Tinpotten i Hjørring købstad, her birthplace being Hjørring.

1832 Granddaughter died; The little daughter (of Inger)  Christiane Isachsdatter died Nov 13, 1832 in Hjørring, St. Olai sogn, Schibsby.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=168505#168505,28295521

1834 Census with Michel Jensen Sort
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid3146110
Remember in 1801 it shows he is married to an Else Nielsdatter but in that one his age is TEN years different than this census and no SORT after his name (but his two children are listed with he and Else in 1801).
Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Sankt Olai, Schibsbyhede, Et huus, 76, FT-1834, C5563

Michel Jensen Sort 73 Gift Huusmand og dagleier  (1761) (really born 1768 according to Military and confirmation records) 

Kirstine Larsdatter 86 Gift Hans kone, almisselem  (1748)

Mette Marie Christensdatter 12 Ugift Pleiedatter  (GRANDDAUGHTER – daughter of unmarried Inger Marie Michelsdatter)  see 1860 Census below.
Inger used her parents in Skibsby as the "base" to place her children while she was out serving as a maid servant. The second daughter Christiana died in Skibsby.

1837 Death of Wife, Kirstine Larsdatter record
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17126072#168505,28295522
She's 88 died Feb 5th buried Feb 12th  1837 Michel Sorts of Skibsbye.... (born about 1749 close match to 1834 census)

1839 Death of Michel Jensen SORT of Skibsbye Nov 4 1839  November 10 1839 Buried
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17126072#168505,28295506
age 78  (Military records and confirmation date indicates 1768 would be his birthdate not 1761 but this does match the 1834 census)
_______________________________________________________________________________________

1834 Census of daughter Inger Marie
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid3164104
In 1834, there was just one person by the name Inger Marie Mikkelsdatter in all of Vennebjerg herred, and she was 37 years of age!

1845 Census of  Daughter Inger Marie
In 1845, she is still unmarried, 48 years old, living in the home of a Jens Peter Arvesen, at Tinpotten i Hjørring købstad, her birthplace being Hjørring.
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid5813463


1860 Census
Possibly daughter Inger Marie living with granddaughter Mette Marie Christensen
Inger Marie living with her daughter Mette Marie here in 1860:
Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Hjørring Købstad, Strømgade og Bryggergade No 246, Kjælderen b, 161 F4, FT-1860, D6397
Navn: Alder: Status: Stilling i familien: Erhverv: Fødested: 
Jørgen Andersen 45 Gift Arbeidsmand. Huusfader Langeland 
Mette Marie Christensen 38 Gift hans Kone St. Olai S. 
Jensine Christensen 5 Ugift deres Datter Hjøring 
Inger Marie Mikkelsen 65 Ugift Konens Moder do [Hjøring]
   


Birth of step daughter tying in the KRAASE NAME which was found attached to Maren Larsdatter's death record:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164085#164085,27548660
#146 Maren Kirstine, born Oct. 25, 1823

Parents: bødker Johan Vendolin og Kone (wife) Maren Hansdatter.
Baptized in the home Oct 26, in church Nov 30.
Witnesses: Skræder Niels Kraases Kone bar det og Ane Kirstine Rasmusdatter fra L. Schibsbye stod hos.
Laurs Christophersen Smed, Brændeviinskarl Niels Kaas, og Skomager Jens Bindslev.
The mother introduced Nov. 23.



thanks to anyone willing to take a look at this,
Cyndi

[Morten Valner S Grymer-Hansen]

Hi Cyndi

I think you have to look in the parish register for Vidstrup parish, as Tornby and Vidstrup parishes were combined in that period. Sometimes that means, that everything is just put into one of the registers. Otherwise it may be possible, that it is an older child living somewhere else with family or was born somewhere else - it may even be a child, that has died or a foster child. But take a look at Vidstrup.

Sincerely
Morten

[Cyndilou]

Thank you Morten
for the ideas. 
I have looked in Vidstrup as well....however I must admit I can't read them very well and could very well have missed it.
most of the records I've found, if I recall right, have all been found in the books that include, Hjorring (I've been told this is Sankt Catharine), Sankt Hans, and Sankt Olai.

I don't think it would be an older child living somewhere else as they just married in December 1797 with the first child being born in 1798 and the 2nd in 1799.  I guess it could be a foster child.  Not sure where to look for that.   ???

Cyndi