Help with finding a death record please.

Startet af aileen young, 26 Sep 2018 - 07:38

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aileen young

I need help with finding the death of the sister of my great grandmother.

Amalie Catherine Kempf was born on the 18 April 1848 birth record Trinitatis, Copenhavn, to Carl Emilius Kempf 1814-1870 and Karen Maria Frederikke Carlsen 1812-1890.

I have found Amalie in the 1st February 1870 census records 12 Rolighedsvej Frederiksberg Ops33, living with her mother and a younger sister,

Have looked for her in the Frederiksberg and Kobenhavn 1880 and 1890 census.

Amalie didn't come with her sisters and brother in 1872 when they came for a visit to Australia to see another brother, her sisters and brother then decided not to return to  Denmark and stayed in Australia.

Family stories is that she was not a well person and died in her twenties.

Any help would be most welcome.

Aileen Young
Kobenhavn,Vejle.

John Damm Sørensen

Hi,

You can browse a list of all relevant Frederiksberg deaths here on FamilySearch.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/3015288?availability=Family%20History%20Library

I tried but didn't find her. So she might have moved. I also searched the newspaper archive, but didn't find here there, either.
http://www2.statsbiblioteket.dk/mediestream/avis/

Best
John

aileen young

Thank you John for trying to help me.

Aileen Young.
Kobenhavn,Vejle.

aileen young

I have found Amalies mother in the 1st February census 1890

Karren Marie  Kempf in Amalieglade Residence, Is this a nursing Home?

Karen Marie Kempf died in Alms Hospital/de Gamles Kobenhavn on the 23 April 1890

Have not been able to find them in the Kobenhavn 1880 census.

I have letters written to my great grandmother from a sister Johanna on the death of their mother there is no mention Amalie.

I am now looking in the  church death records in Frederiksberg.

Aileen Young
Kobenhavn,Vejle.

Anne Messmann

Hi,
Here is the Probate after Karen - #1057: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17056262#137023,34217323
I can't read it all, but I se no children mentioned.

I have not found her in the 1890 census - could you send a link to that?

I have also tryed the Frederiksberg Begravelser for Amalie Cathrine, but did'nt find her. I found her confirmation 26 April 1862 in Frederiksberg kirke. They were at that time living at Godthaabsvejen in a house called Virkelyst": https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L943-MSKR?i=149&cc=2078555

Anne



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Anne Messmann

Hi,
You could write a request to the lokal archive, with all the information you have - maybe they can help, they are very frindly :): stadsarkivet@frederiksberg.dk

Anne
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aileen young

Thank you Ann, for the Probate of Karen Marie Kempf.

One of her daughters is mentioned Johanna Bosin of Ronne, she is the sister who wrote the letters to my Great grandmother.

The 1 Feb 1890 Census for Karen Marie Kempf is Kobenhavn Amt,Kobenhavn gader, lige nr 4-42-1890.
Ops 48 No.324.

Have tried to find the Probate of her husband Carl Emilius Kempf who died 28 September 1870 in Almindelight Hospital Kobenhavn.

What is the drop down name I should be clicking on for Probates, I know the one for Church records and Census.

I will also get in touch with the Archives of Frederiksberg to see if they can help with the death of Amalie Catrine.

Thank you for your help.

Aileen Young
Kobenhavn,Vejle.

Anne Messmann

Hi,
Johanne Bosin payed for the funeral.

There is no Probate for Carl Emilius Kempf, only a death notice. He was a poor = Lem.
I found it here:
https://www.sa.dk/en/ - See more: Geneology/Skifter fra København/Landsover- samt Hof- og Stadsretten, Københavns Skiftekommission, Navneregister til hvidebog nr. 37 = 1870 April 30-1872 Mar. 30, opslag 629:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16293260#51066,37832395
Kempf, Carl Emilius, Lem = pagina 192.
Pag. 192: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16293260#51066,37831900
# 663, Lem på Alm. Hospital, Carl Emilius Kempf død 28. September 1870, 29. September 1870

I still can not find the 1870 census - the streetname is missing. Please send a direct link!

Anne
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aileen young

hi Anne,

Thank you for the information on Carl Emilius Kempf.

The 1870 Census.

Kobenhavn Amt, Kobenhavns gader -R Robighedsvej ,1870

Ops 33.

The Kempf family.

3--10 Karen Marie Frederikke Dorotha Kempf (mother)
     11 Amalie Catrine Kempf (daughter)
     12 Olivia Vilhelmine Kempf (daughter) second youngest daughter sailed with my great grandmother Laura Henrietta was the youngest for Australia in 1872.

Aileen
Kobenhavn,Vejle.

Anne Messmann

Hi,
You ask in #3 if Amaliegade, where Karen Maria Frederikke livet by FT-1890 is a nursinghome. It's a hospital for poor people called: Almindeligt Hospital (where she and her husband died): https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almindelig_Hospital

I found Karen Maria Frederikke (: Kamph) in census 1885, where she also lives in Almindeligt Hospital: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid15109804

I found Karen Marie Frederikke in Københavns Stadsarkiv, Almisseprotokol (help for poor people) here: https://www.kbharkiv.dk/kildeviser/#!?collection=101&item=505089

She lived in Copenhagen, Landemærket 8. and she got help from 16/4-1880 untill 17/5-1881 (3-4 Dkr. per month) where she moved to Bornholm. There is a reference til an ealier request for help, see below.

I cant find her in Landemærket 8 in census 1880 (1/2-1880), but she should live there: She also asked for help 10/6-1879: https://www.kbharkiv.dk/kildeviser/#!?collection=101&item=504985
and gave the adress Landemærket 8. On 17/10-1879 she did not wanted help anymore.

If the were living there, when Amalie Cathrine died, you might find the death in Trinitatis: https://arkivalielister.dis-danmark.dk/ao_kb_vis_form.php?navn=trinitatis&stil=2&type=h

If you dont find her, I think it is a good idea to contact Frederiksberg Stadsarkiv.
Anne
















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Anne Messmann

Hello again,
I thougth Karen Maria might be in census 1880 Bornholm - and yes, here she is, living by Johanne Bosin: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid9767608

Anne
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aileen young

Dear Anne,Once again thank you for your wonderful help.

I have had a reply back from  Frederiksberg Stadsarkiv is stated that from 1871 to 1873 there is a"Frederikke Kemp" listed on Rolighedsvej 12 on the tax list.
Later she is not listed on the tax list or in the 1874 census.
Neither Amalie Catrine Kemp or Karen Marie Frederikke Dorotha Kemp could be found living at that address.

They suggested getting into with Kobenhavn Stadsarkiv about her Amaliegade address, as you have been able to find out a lot of information on Karen , I think I should ask them if they have any information on Amalie .

It seems something happen to Amalie around 1873-4.

There is no recorded death for her in the year 1873 in the church records of Frederiksberg. as the family had no money she would have had to go into a poor hospital.Will now try Almindelight Hospital.

Thank Aileen
Kobenhavn,Vejle.

Anne Messmann

Hi Aileen,
I finally found Amalies dead :)

# 152: died 30/7-1870, buried 7/8-1870, Frederiksberg, Rolighedsvej 12: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?hjbsid=203626#203626,38621481

She died in Frederiksberg sogns hospital, 22 years old. Daugther of Muursvend Kempf af Rolighedsvej 12. I can't read the first line at the end, it might bee about a probate. The second line: "Assistens Kirkegaard frijord" (free grave).

The reason that I did not find her ealier (I have looked!) is, that exatly that page #164 is missing in the filmed churchbook, I was looking at (there are 2 churchbooks): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114817#149671,24764712

I will write to the State archive and tell them. What a mess!

Anne

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Inger Toudal

#13

I cannot open the first link in the previous post.

Here's another link to the churchbook where Amalie's death is recorded: Hovedministerialbog, 1864 D - 1870 D, Opslag 291

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17223754#203626,38621481 - No 152

- død i Sognets Hospital (died at the parish hospital).

Remarks: Underlivsbetændelse. Birket 1/8 70 (Abdominal inflammation. Judicial district [court] 1 Aug. 1870)

She was probably buried at Frederiksberg Assistens Cemetery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solbjerg_Park_Cemetery

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Anne Messmann

Sorry for the dead link (strange...) - and thank you, Inger!
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aileen young

 Thank you Anne for all your hard work in finding the death record of Amalie,
Thank you Inger for the transcribed death report.

Finding Amalie's, death completes the family history of all my Great grandmother's brothers and sisters of what became of them.

it is so wonderful to have this site and the great researching made by the volunteers.

Aileen Young
Kobenhavn,Vejle.