Having trouble finding the parents for Karen Jensdatter

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Hello,

This is what I know about Karen Jensdatter who married Soren Baerntsen Hyld 21 Dec 1816 in Eldrup, Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg.  It says he was 32 and she was 28 but as you will see on most of the Census documents there was a 7 year age-gap between Soren and Karen.

Their marriage (bottom left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=170591#170591,28642847

I find them in the 1834, 1840, 1845, 1850 and 1860 Census documents as follows:

Year:   FT-1834   Source reference:   side 329   
Cadastre/Address:   Et Huus   
Household No:   3   
Name:   Søren Bernthsen      Gender:   M   
Age:   52      Civil status:   Gift   
Occupation:   Indsidder, dagleier   
Parish:   Tolstrup   District:   Voer
Shire:   Skanderborg   Place name:   Tolstrup Bye
Source entry No:   C0577   Record No.:   18

Søren Bernthsen     52     Gift          Indsidder, dagleier      
Karen Jensdatter     45     Gift          Hans kone [Søren Bernthsen]      
Johan Bernth Sørensen     14     Ugift          Deres børn [Søren Bernthsen og Karen Jensdatter]      
Caroline Sørensdatter     12     Ugift          Deres børn [Søren Bernthsen og Karen Jensdatter]      
Hans Jørgen Sørensen     10     Ugift          Deres børn [Søren Bernthsen og Karen Jensdatter]      
Kirstine Sørensdatter     8     Ugift          Deres børn [Søren Bernthsen og Karen Jensdatter]      
Ane Marie Sørensdatter     5     Ugift          Deres børn [Søren Bernthsen og Karen Jensdatter] 

Year:   FT-1840   Source reference:   196   
Cadastre/Address:   et Huus   
Household No:   95      Number af families/house:   1   
Name:   Søren Berenthsen   
Age:   58      Civil status:   Gift   
Occupation:   Indsidder - Uld- og Skindhandler   
Parish:   Tolstrup   District:   Voer
Shire:   Skanderborg   Place name:   Tolstrup
Source entry No:   C6540   Record No.:   521

Søren Berenthsen     58     Gift          Indsidder - Uld- og Skindhandler      
Karen Jensdatter     51     Gift          hans Kone      
Hans Jørgen Sørensen     15     Ugift          deres Børn      
Kirstine Sørensdatter     13     Ugift          deres Børn      
Ane Marie Sørensdatter     11     Ugift          deres Børn      
Sophie Dorthea Sørensdatter     22     Ugift          deres Datter      
Trine Carlone Hansdatter?     1     Ugift          hendes uægte Barn 

Year:   FT-1845   Source reference:   239   
Cadastre/Address:   et Huus   
Household No:   73      Number af families/house:   1   
Name:   Søren Berntsen   
Age:   63      Civil status:   Gift   
Birth place:   Nim S Skdbrg A   
Occupation:   Inds: Dagleier   
Parish:   Tolstrup   District:   Voer
Shire:   Skanderborg   Place name:   Tolstrup Bye
Source entry No:   B3903   Record No.:   431

Søren Berntsen     63     Gift          Inds: Dagleier     Nim S Skdbrg A 
Karen Jensdatter     55     Gift          hans Kone     Kattrup S Skdbrg A 
Hans J Sørensen     21     Ugift          deres Søn, Væver     Her i Sognet 
Trine Carol: Hanberg     6     Ugift          deres Pleiedatter     Her i Sognet  (this is their granddaughter)

Year:   FT-1850   Source reference:   230   
Cadastre/Address:   et Huus   
Household No:   92      Number af families/house:   1   
Name:   Søren Berntsen   
Age:   68      Civil status:   Gift   
Birth place:   Nim S. Skbrg. A.   
Occupation:   Inds. Dagleier   
Parish:   Tolstrup   District:   Voer
Shire:   Skanderborg   Place name:   Tolstrup
Source entry No:   B7752   Record No.:   560

Søren Berntsen     68     Gift          Inds. Dagleier     Nim S. Skbrg. A. 
Karen Jensdatter     60     Gift          hans Kone     Kattrup S. Skbrg. A. 
Hans Jørgen Sørensen     26     Ugift          deres Søn Væver     her i Sognet 
Trine Caroline Hanberg     11     Ugift          Pleiedatter     her i Sognet 

Year:   FT-1860   Source reference:   Optegnelse s. 142   
Cadastre/Address:   Et Huus   
Household No:   113   
Name:   Søren Berntsen      Gender:   M   
Age:   82      Civil status:   Gift   
Birth place:   Nim Sogn, Skanderborg Amt   
Position in household:   Indsidder. handler med Uld og Skind. Huusfader   
Parish:   Tolstrup   District:   Voer
Shire:   Skanderborg   Place name:   Tolstrup
Source entry No:   D5999   Record No.:   516

Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Søren Berntsen     82     Gift     Indsidder. handler med Uld og Skind. Huusfader          Nim Sogn, Skanderborg Amt 
Karen Jensdatter     78     Gift     hans Kone          Her i Sognet 


On two of the Census documents Karen says she was born in Kattrup and in one she say Tolstrup.  I realise they are close together but I took her to mean she was born in Kattrup.  Her marriage age and all but the 1860 Census document indicate a birth year of around 1789.  I could only find one Karen Jensdatter born in Kattrup, 30 May 1789, between 1786-1792 here (top right) :https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=165455#165455,27792666

The problem I am having with this birth record is that the father is Jens Caspersen.  None of Karen's children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren have the name Casper as I would expect given the naming conventions at the time.  She does have 2 sons: Johan Baernt Sorensen Hyld and Hans Jorgen Sorensen Hyld.

In Tolstrup there is only one Karen born to a Jens that is close to a 1789 birth year and I do not think this can be her because of the gap.
1785
fol 49
Jens Nielsens barn af Lykkeberg - Karen

I find Jens Caspersen in the 1797 and 1801 Census documents married to a Margrethe (it says Sorensdatter in 1787 but I think this is a mistake because they are on their first marriage in both Census and their 1st son was named Christen, 2nd son Casper) Christensdatter.  None of Karen's daughters or granddaughters are named Margrethe.

I could not find a death record for Karen Jensdatter.  The closest I could find, assuming she remarried after the death of her 1st husband 29 Apr 1862 in Tolstrup, was this record in 1869 but it says she was 84 years old making her 4 years too old.

Possible death Karen Jensdatter #2 : https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=170593#170593,28643432

Is it plausible to think that Jens Caspersen is really Karen's father and Margrethe Christensdatter is her mother?

Any help is appreciated.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas?

[Ole Westermann]

I think that Karen Jensdatter is a daughter of Jens Caspersen and Margrethe Christensdatter in Kattrup, bapt. May 30, 1790.
At the 1787 census the oldest son is Christen (12), so the surname of Margrethe (Sørensdatter) must be
wrong in connection with Christensdatter in 1801.

1787 they are in their 1. marriage https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=696#696,53858
1801 they are in their 1. marriage https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=26297#26297,2900014

You write, that none on Karens children get the name Casper.
The naming conventions do NOT say so - they say that a son should be named Jens.
And Karen may have had her reasons not to name a son after her father.

I didn't find the death of (the correct) Karen Jensdatter in Tolstrup. Maybe she moved to one of her children after Sørens death.

mvh Ole

[Inger Toudal]

Karen and Søren had a daughter Anemargrethe Sørrens Datter 15 Jan. 1815 in Eldrup, Tolstrup parish, before they were married:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=170591#170591,28642775 - No 8

Skanderborg, Voer, Kattrup, Borupgaard, , , FT-1787, C4107
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:                  
Jens Caspersen     46     Gift      mand      inderst, daglejer        
Magrethe Sørensdatter     38     Gift      hans kone              
Christen Jensen     12     Ugift      deres barn              
Casper Jensen     6     Ugift      deres barn              
Søren Jensen     4     Ugift      deres barn              
Kiersten Jensdatter     1     Ugift      deres barn

Skanderborg, Voer, Kattrup, Bemte. Boerup, , 7, FT-1801, b8506
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Jens Caspersen     52     Gift      Mand      Jordløs huusmand og tiener        
Margrete Christensdatter     40     Gift      Hans kone              
Kirsten Jensdatter     14     Ugift      Deres børn              
Karen Jensdatter     12     Ugift      Deres børn             
Sofie Jensdatter     6     Ugift      Deres børn

The marriage of Karen Jensdatter's (b. 1790) parents could be here in Østbirk Parish:
http://www.milloup.dk/bf/yd-ost/ostbirk-1780-89.htm

1780, fol 66b
ungkarl Jens Caspersen og pige Margrethe (mlg) af Holm (copuleret)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172883,29027244 - right page, No 4
- unfortunately, Margrethe's patronymic is not mentioned.

Maybe Jens Caspersen died 26 Mar. 1806 in Eldrup, Tolstrup parish: http://www.milloup.dk/bf/tolstrup/tolstrup-1803.htm

1806, fol 4a
Jens Caspersen af Eldrup - 69 år

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127168#170590,28642696 - left page
________________________________________________________________________________________________________

This could be worth looking into:

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/tolstrup/tolstrup-1803.htm#1810
1812, fol 12b
Karen Jensdatters uægte barn af Eldrup - Jens Peder (Anders Hansen af Ørskovgård)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127168#170590,28642704 - right page, top

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Inger Toudal

[Ole Westermann]

No doubt that it is the same Jens Caspersen, who died in Eldrup in Tolstrup p. in 1806.
I didn't find the death of his wife Margrethe Christensdatter.

By following JC's son Christen in the levying rolls I found them moving from Kattrup to Tolstrup p. after 1801
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17837,918385 left
   E110-88 Christen - Landsoldat in 1799 in Oldenb. Inf. Reg. 7-1
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17840,919267 left no. 88-70
   and
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17848,921603 right
  70-58  same data + Overcomplet at Sess. 1806 and Afsked (dismissed) at Sess.1807.

And I also found the birth of Karens illegitimate son Jens Peter in 1812. So here is the naming of her father.

[Inger Toudal]

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/nim-unde/nim-1748db.htm
1781, fol 95
Jens Caspersens søn - Casper

Nim parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125352#166964,28035343 - right page, No 4

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/kat-orid/kattrup-1770dd.htm
1793, fol 247
Jens Caspersens søn Casper af Borup - 11 år (Kattrup parish)
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

This is probably the son Christen:

1776, fol 83
Margrethe Jensdatters uægte søn - Christen (Søren Tangaard, gift mand)

Nim parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125352#166964,28035337 - right page, No 2

In the levying rolls, Jens Casperen's (step)son is called Christen Sørensen.

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Inger

[Inger Toudal]

The information in the levying roll 1789 for Kattrup parish regarding the birth place for Christen and Casper is wrong:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17827,915092 - No 54, 55, and 56

- Søren was born in Borup, Kattrup parish, but his two elder brothers were born in Nim parish.

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/kat-orid/kattrup-1770db.htm
1783, fol 46
Jens Caspersens barn af Borup - Søren

1792: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17831,916071 - No 54, 55, and 56

1795: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#18029,972410 - No 48, 49, and 50
- Christen moves to lægd 93, which is Tolstrup parish, in 1797 (letter E)

1798: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17837,918377 - No 42
- Søren moves to lægd 100, which is Nim parish, in 1799 (letter G)
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Maybe the Karen Jensdatter you are looking for: http://www.milloup.dk/bf/tolstrup/tolstrup-1803.htm

1809, fol 9a
Karen Jensdatters uægte barn af Eldrup - Rasmus (Søren Rasmussen af Rådved)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127168#170590,28642701 - left page, Nov. 5

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Inger

[Inger Toudal]

Levying roll 1797, Tolstrup: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18031,973065 - No E 110

- Christen Sørensen, an illegitimate child, whose mother is now married to Jens Caspersen.

Unfortunately, the name of the mother is not mentioned. Is she Margrethe Jensdatter, Sørensdatter, or Christensdatter?  
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Confirmation 1824 in Tolstrup of Rasmus Sørensen, b. 1809 in Eldrup:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=170591#170591,28642835 - No 4

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Inger

[Inger Toudal]

A Margrethe Sørensdatter gave birth to a stillborn baby boy in Nim parish 1779:

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/nim-unde/nim-1748db.htm

1779, fol 91
Margrethe Sørensdatters uægte dødfødte søn (vejfarende karl, navn ukendt)
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A strong candidate in Østbirk parish for Jens Caspersen found in Kattrup 1787 and 1801:

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/yd-ost/ostbirk-1740-49.htm

1745, fol 70
Casper Jensens barn af Monbjerg - Jens

1749, fol 78
Casper Jensen af Monbjerg (begravet)

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/yd-ost/ydost-1731-39.htm

1737, fol 67
Casper Jensen og Karen Enevoldsdatter af Monbjerg (copuleret)

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Inger

[Inger Toudal]

Østbirk parish:

Marriage 1737: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172882,29027104 - right page, bottom

Baptism 1745: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172881,29026982 - No 10

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172882,29027143 - left page, middle

Burial 1749: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172881,29026990 - right page, top 

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172882,29027093 - right page, middle
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Stillbirth 1779 in Nim: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125352#166964,28035341 - right page, No 8

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Inger

[Inger Toudal]

I followed Søren Jensen b. 1783 in Borup, Kattrup parish, in the levying rolls. He ended up in Eldrup (Tolstrup parish):

1813, Nim parish (lægd 100): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17873,929509 - No 65

- still in Eldrup etc. Moved to lægd 93 (Tolstrup parish).

Søren Berntsen Hyld, born in Nim parish, in Eldrup, Tolstrup parish 1817 (lægd 93):
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17892,934919 - No C 135

Christen Sørensen, Huusmand af Eldrup, who is witness at the marriage in 1816, could be Karen's half-brother (b. 1776 in Nim).

The brothers could be here:

Skanderborg, Voer, Tolstrup, Eldrup, Et Huus, 106, FT-1834, C0577
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Christen Sørensen     57     Gift            Indsidder, væver        
Kirsten Lausdatter     59     Gift            Hans kone [Christen Sørensen]        
Marie Kirstine Lausdatter     8     Ugift            Deres pleiedatter [Christen Sørensen og Kirsten Lausdatter]        
Anders Christensen     25     Ugift            I væverlære

Christen Sørensen died 8 Dec. 1834: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127172#170592,28643188 - No 6

Skanderborg, Voer, Tolstrup, Søeholmhuus, Et Huus, 96, FT-1834, C0577
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Søren Jensen     52     Gift            Indsidder, dagleier       
Ane Marie Mikkelsdatter     41     Gift            Hans kone [Søren Jensen]       
Ane Kirstine Sørensdatter     14     Ugift            Deres børn, de to sidstnævnte ere tvillinger [Søren Jensen og Ane Marie Mikkelsdatter]       
Magrethe Sørensdatter     12     Ugift            Deres børn, de to sidstnævnte ere tvillinger [Søren Jensen og Ane Marie Mikkelsdatter]       
Terkel Sørensen     9     Ugift            Deres børn, de to sidstnævnte ere tvillinger [Søren Jensen og Ane Marie Mikkelsdatter]       
Ester Sørensdatter     7     Ugift            Deres børn, de to sidstnævnte ere tvillinger [Søren Jensen og Ane Marie Mikkelsdatter]       
Mikkel Sørensen     2     Ugift            Deres børn, de to sidstnævnte ere tvillinger [Søren Jensen og Ane Marie Mikkelsdatter]       
Marcus Sørensen     2     Ugift            Deres børn, de to sidstnævnte ere tvillinger [Søren Jensen og Ane Marie Mikkelsdatter]

Skanderborg, Voer, Tolstrup, Gjedved Bye, et Huus, 3, FT-1845, B3903
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:       Birth place :
Søren Jensen     64     Gift            Indsidder, Dagleier      Kattrup S Skbrg A
Ane Marie Mikkelsd[atter]     51     Gift            hans Kone      Ørntslev S Skbrg A  
Mikkel Sørensen     15     Ugift            deres Børn til hvis Opdragelse de nyde Almisse      Her i Sognet  
Marius Sørensen     13     Ugift            deres Børn til hvis Opdragelse de nyde Almisse      Her i Sognet  
Christine Sørensdatter     10     Ugift            deres Børn til hvis Opdragelse de nyde Almisse      Her i Sognet  
Siliane Laursen     3     Ugift            Pleiebarn      Her i Sognet  
Sidsel Mikkelsdatter     69     Enke            Aftægtskone      Her i Sognet

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Inger

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

I think that Karen Jensdatter is a daughter of Jens Caspersen and Margrethe Christensdatter in Kattrup, bapt. May 30, 1790.
At the 1787 census the oldest son is Christen (12), so the surname of Margrethe (Sørensdatter) must be
wrong in connection with Christensdatter in 1801.

1787 they are in their 1. marriage https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=696#696,53858
1801 they are in their 1. marriage https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=26297#26297,2900014

You write, that none on Karens children get the name Casper.
The naming conventions do NOT say so - they say that a son should be named Jens.
And Karen may have had her reasons not to name a son after her father.

I didn't find the death of (the correct) Karen Jensdatter in Tolstrup. Maybe she moved to one of her children after Sørens death.

mvh Ole

Thank you Ole!  I just wanted to be sure that it is reasonable that Karen did not name a child Casper or Jens.  I understand that it would normally  be Jens.  It is only that the name Casper never carries forward to her future ancestors and I found that odd given that it is not as common a name as say Jens, Hans, Niels, Peder, etc.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Karen and Søren had a daughter Anemargrethe Sørrens Datter 15 Jan. 1815 in Eldrup, Tolstrup parish, before they were married:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=170591#170591,28642775 - No 8

Oh, wow, thank you Inger.  I do not know how I missed her in my searching the parish records.

The marriage of Karen Jensdatter's (b. 1790) parents could be here in Østbirk Parish:
http://www.milloup.dk/bf/yd-ost/ostbirk-1780-89.htm

1780, fol 66b
ungkarl Jens Caspersen og pige Margrethe (mlg) af Holm (copuleret)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172883,29027244 - right page, No 4
- unfortunately, Margrethe's patronymic is not mentioned.

I think that is them as well but it is too bad that poor Margrethe keeps having so many different patronymics.

Maybe Jens Caspersen died 26 Mar. 1806 in Eldrup, Tolstrup parish: http://www.milloup.dk/bf/tolstrup/tolstrup-1803.htm

1806, fol 4a
Jens Caspersen af Eldrup - 69 år

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127168#170590,28642696 - left page

I saw that one as well but I was hesitant because his age in the Census documents seem to have him born around 1741 and the death at age 69 would have him born 1737?

This could be worth looking into:

http://www.milloup.dk/bf/tolstrup/tolstrup-1803.htm#1810
1812, fol 12b
Karen Jensdatters uægte barn af Eldrup - Jens Peder (Anders Hansen af Ørskovgård)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127168#170590,28642704 - right page, top

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Inger Toudal

That is a possibility.  It would be nice if these children (ie: Jens Peder and Ane Margrethe) showed up on a Census with the family to at least feel a little more confident.  I am very confident about Ane Margrethe but not so much Jens Peder.

I am going to have a look at the sponsors for the baptisms of Karen Jensdatter's children to see if there are matches with Jens Peder.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

No doubt that it is the same Jens Caspersen, who died in Eldrup in Tolstrup p. in 1806.
I didn't find the death of his wife Margrethe Christensdatter.

By following JC's son Christen in the levying rolls I found them moving from Kattrup to Tolstrup p. after 1801
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17837,918385 left
   E110-88 Christen - Landsoldat in 1799 in Oldenb. Inf. Reg. 7-1
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17840,919267 left no. 88-70
   and
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17848,921603 right
  70-58  same data + Overcomplet at Sess. 1806 and Afsked (dismissed) at Sess.1807.

And I also found the birth of Karens illegitimate son Jens Peter in 1812. So here is the naming of her father.

Ole, thank you so much!  This makes it clear that Christen Sorensen was illegitimate but Jens Caspersen raised him or is at least attached to him in his military file.

I am trying working on the Jens Peter illegitimate birth.  I have a problem with it because none of the witnesses/sponsors for Jens Peter's baptism are listed in Karen's children with Jens Caspersen.  I would have expected at least one name to overlap.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

I think that Karen Jensdatter is a daughter of Jens Caspersen and Margrethe Christensdatter in Kattrup, bapt. May 30, 1790.

mvh Ole

Hi Ole.  When I looked at the birth record for Karen Jensdatter I thought it referred to 1789?

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=165455#165455,27792666

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

The information in the levying roll 1789 for Kattrup parish regarding the birth place for Christen and Casper is wrong:

Thank you for all of the Levying Roll links Inger!

Maybe the Karen Jensdatter you are looking for: http://www.milloup.dk/bf/tolstrup/tolstrup-1803.htm

1809, fol 9a
Karen Jensdatters uægte barn af Eldrup - Rasmus (Søren Rasmussen af Rådved)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127168#170590,28642701 - left page, Nov. 5

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Inger

This actually looks like more of a possibility than the Jens Peder birth up above.

So far, I have the following witnesses/sponsors for Karen Jensdatter's children:

Rasmus (Soren Rasmussen) illegitimate
30 Oct 1809 • Eldrup, Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Witnesses: Ane NielsD, Sophie JensD (sister born 1793?), Andreas Mikkelsen, Soren Stephansen and Jens Hansen

Ane Margrethe Sorensdatter (Soren Baerntsen) Illegitimate
15 Jan 1815 • Eldrup, Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Witnesses: Ane JorgensD, Sophie JensD (sister born 1793?), Christen Sorensen and Thomas Juelsen

Ane Sophie Sorensdatter
3 Apr 1818 • Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Witnesses: Ane Johanne ChristensD, Ane Magrethe ChristensD, Laurits Povelsen, Hans Peter Eliasen, Christian Frederick Pedersen

Johan Baernt Sorensen Hyld
3 Mar 1820 • Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Witnesses: Soren Jensen's (her brother born 1783?) kone, Ane Marie MikkelsD, Ane NielsD, Therkild Pedersen, Christen Sorensen and Christen Baerntsen

Caroline Sorensdatter
25 Apr 1822 • Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Witnesses: Karen PedersD, Mette Kirstine PedersD, Christen Baerntsen, Peder Jacobsen and Christen Sorensen

Hans Jorgen Sorsensen Tolstrup
17 Aug 1824 • Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Witnesses: Ane Marie BertelsD, Trine PedersD, Laurs Nielsen, Peder Herfield? Pedersen and Soren Christensen

Kirstine Sorensdatter
5 Nov 1826 • Tolstrup, Voer, Skanderborg, Denmark
Witnesses: Ane ErnstsD, Ane Marie BertelsD, Laurs Nielsen, Haders? Jeppesen and Rasmus Sorensen

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Is she Margrethe Jensdatter, Sørensdatter, or Christensdatter?  

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Inger

That is the question.  I wish there was a way to confirm what her actual patronymic was.  Based on the names of her sons it could be Sorensdatter or Christensdatter.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Østbirk parish:

Marriage 1737: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172882,29027104 - right page, bottom

Baptism 1745: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172881,29026982 - No 10

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172882,29027143 - left page, middle

Burial 1749: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172881,29026990 - right page, top 

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128748#172882,29027093 - right page, middle
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Stillbirth 1779 in Nim: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125352#166964,28035341 - right page, No 8

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Inger

Thank you Inger!  I think you are amazing at how quickly you find information that would take me days.

If I knew what Magrethe's patronymic was I could decide if I think that stillborn son belonged to her.  I am just not sure.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Unfortunately, the name of the mother is not mentioned. Is she Margrethe Jensdatter, Sørensdatter, or Christensdatter? 

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Inger

The more I look at the records I think she must have been Magrethe Christensdatter.  Her first son, her illegitimate son, she names Christen (father Soren Tangaard). 

Her first son that she has with Jens Caspersen is Casper and her second son with Jens is named Soren (which may be in memory of Soren Tangaard if he died by the time Soren Jensen was born).

On the 1801 Census she is Magrethe Christensdatter.

[Inger Toudal]

The sponsor at Karen Jensdatter's wedding 1816, Christen Sørensen, Huusmand af Eldrup, must be her half-brother.

You've also found him as a witness at baptisms of Karen's children.

Her brother Søren Jensen died 19 Jan. 1861: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127172#170593,28643408 - No 1
- born in Borup. Father: tenant Jens Caspersen in Borup.

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Inger

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

The sponsor at Karen Jensdatter's wedding 1816, Christen Sørensen, Huusmand af Eldrup, must be her half-brother.

You've also found him as a witness at baptisms of Karen's children.

Her brother Søren Jensen died 19 Jan. 1861: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127172#170593,28643408 - No 1
- born in Borup. Father: tenant Jens Caspersen in Borup.

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Inger

Thank you so much Inger!  I think Christen Sorensen in the illegitimate child mentioned throughout the thread and Karen Jensdatter's half brother.

[hra64]

Rebecca. I am new in this forum but have come across this thread. Søren Bernthsen Hyld is my direct ancestor in 6 generation through his daughter Ane Sophie Dorthea Sørensdatter. Are you directly related with him also - and if so how? /Henrik Andersen