Having trouble finding birth record for Niels Jacobsen Skrædder

Startet af Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland, 10 Okt 2018 - 01:56

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Hello,

I am trying to find the birth record for Niels Jacobsen Skrædder.  According to his marriage and Census he was born in Bække, Anst, Ribe somewhere around 1781-1787.  I searched in Verst & Baekke from 1773-1801 and did not locate a record for him and I saw no father by the name of Jacob.

Niels married firstly to Mariane Christiansdatter 16 Feb 1817 in Jernved, Gording, Ribe.  He is aged 30 and she is aged 26.
Marriage #2 : https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=165272#165272,27762937

They had one daughter, Anne, born around 1819, but I could not find a birth record for her.  Mariane Christiansdatter died 29 Mar 1820 in Jernved.

Niels married secondly to Ane Else Gabrielsdatter 2 Nov 1822 in Jernved, Gording, Ribe.  He is aged 36 and she is age 30.
Married #6 : https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=165272#165272,27762939      

I have a possible Census record for him in 1801:
Year:   FT-1801   Source reference:   24   
Household No:   45. fam   
Name:   Niels Jacobsen      Gender:   M   
Age:   18      Civil status:   Ugift   
Position in household:   -      Occupation:   øver skrædder profession   
Parish:   Bække   District:   Anst
Shire:   Ribe   Place name:   Bække Bye
Source entry No:   B8994   Record No.:   176

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Niels Jacobsen     18     Ugift     -     øver skrædder profession     

Then I find him in the Census records for 1834, 1840 and 1845.  I am not sure why he is on his one page for the 1834 Census but as you will see he is at the same address as his family:

Year:   FT-1834   Source reference:   side 29   
Cadastre/Address:   et huus   
Household No:   17   
Name:   Niels Jakobsen      Gender:   M   
Age:   54      Civil status:   Gift   
Occupation:   Snedker   
Parish:   Bække   District:   Anst
Shire:   Ribe   Place name:   Bekke byes udflyttere
Source entry No:   C3254   Record No.:   108

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Niels Jakobsen     54     Gift          Snedker

  109 17 et huus Anna Else Gabrielsdatter K 41 1793 Gift Bekke byes udflyttere Hans kone   
  110 17 et huus Anna Nielsdatter K 15 1819 Ugift Bekke byes udflyttere     
  111 17 et huus Mariane Nielsdatter K 11 1823 Ugift Bekke byes udflyttere     
  112 17 et huus Maren Nielsdatter K 9 1825 Ugift Bekke byes udflyttere     
  113 17 et huus Else Marie Nielsdatter K 6 1828 Ugift Bekke byes udflyttere     
  114 17 et huus Gabriel Nielsen Burkmann M 3 1831 Ugift Bekke byes udflyttere     
  115 17 et huus Hans Hendrik Nielsen Burkmann M 1 1833 Ugift Bekke byes udflyttere


Link to 1834 Census (he is record 108): https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/census1834/sogn1136

Year:   FT-1840   Source reference:   29   
Cadastre/Address:   Et Huus   
Household No:   4      Number af families/house:   1   
Name:   Niels Jacobsen      Gender:   M   
Age:   59      Civil status:   Gift   
Occupation:   Skredder   
Parish:   Bække   District:   Anst
Shire:   Ribe   Place name:   Bekke
Source entry No:   C5079   Record No.:   28

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Niels Jacobsen     59     Gift          Skredder      
Ane Else Gabrielsdatter     47     Gift          hans Kone      
Gabriel Nielsen Barkmann     9     Ugift          deres Børn      
Hans Hendrik :N: [ Nielsen ] Barkmann     6     Ugift          deres Børn      
Stephan Nielsen Barkmann     3     Ugift          deres Børn      
Elsebeth Marie Nielsdatter     12     Ugift          deres Børn 

Year:   FT-1845   Source reference:   49   
Cadastre/Address:   et Huus   
Household No:   27      Number af families/house:   27   
Name:   Niels Jacobsen      Gender:   M   
Age:   66      Civil status:   Gift   
Birth place:   Dito [Her i Sognet]   
Occupation:   Skræddermester   
Parish:   Bække   District:   Anst
Shire:   Ribe   Place name:   Bekkeby
Source entry No:   C1253   Record No.:   161

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Niels Jacobsen     66     Gift          Skræddermester     Dito [Her i Sognet] 
Ane Else Gabrieledatter     52     Gift          hans Kone     Jernved sogn, Ribe amt 
Gabrine Nielsen Barkmann     14     -          deres barn     Her i sognet 
Hans Henrik Nielsen Barkmann     11     -          deres barn     Dito [Her i Sognet] 
Stephen Nielsen Barkmann     8     -          deres barn     Dito [Her i Sognet]

I have no idea why Niels Jacobsen's sons Gabriel, Hans and Steffen were all given the surname "Barkmann" (per the parish records).

Niels Jacobsen Skrædder dies 12 Jun 1847 in Bække, Anst, Ribe.
Death #6 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=159963#159963,26892393

The death record appears to state that he was born in Bække and his father was Jacob  Skrædder.

I would like to find his birth record, if possible, to at least figure out his parent's names or to find possible siblings.  Any help is appreciated.

Arne Møhler

Could it be this family?

The age of Niels is analog to his age in FT1845, which gives a year of birth of 1779.

Ribe, Anst, Lejrskov, Leirskov, Feerup bye, , FT-1787, C370

Jacob Nielsen     42     Gift     Hosbonde     Bonde og gårdbeboer      
Karen Jensdatter     43     Gift     Madmoder           
Niels Jacobsen     8     Ugift     Deres børn           
Wuse?? [Wiise??] Jacobsdatter     2     Ugift     Deres børn           
Niels Jensen     70     Enke     Hosbondens fader     Begge lever af aftægt af gården      
Jens Lundemand     78     Enke     Konens fader     Begge lever af aftægt af gården      
Dorthe Jensdatter     46     Ugift     Konens søster     Vanfør, nyder pension af Colding hospital      
Søren Pedersen     34     Ugift     Tienestefolk     Tienestefolk  = servants    
Esche Sørensen     20     Ugift     Tienestefolk     Tienestefolk      
Maren Berentzdatter     25     Ugift     Tienestefolk     Tienestefolk

acob Nielsen     42     Mar.     Father of the house     Farmer      
Karen Jensdatter     43     Mar.     Mother of the house           
Niels Jacobsen     8     Unmar     their Child           
Wuse?? [Wiise??] Jacobsdatter     2     Unmar     their Child           
Niels Jensen     70     Widow     Father of the houses father     Living by accommodation      
Jens Lundemand     78     Widow     The wifes father     Living by accommodation    
Dorthe Jensdatter     46     Unmar     the wifes sister     disabled, pension from Colding hospital      


regards
Arne
    

Citat fra: Arne Møhler [718] Dato 10 Okt 2018 - 22:34
Could it be this family?

The age of Niels is analog to his age in FT1845, which gives a year of birth of 1779.

Ribe, Anst, Lejrskov, Leirskov, Feerup bye, , FT-1787, C370

Jacob Nielsen     42     Gift     Hosbonde     Bonde og gårdbeboer      
Karen Jensdatter     43     Gift     Madmoder           
Niels Jacobsen     8     Ugift     Deres børn           
Wuse?? [Wiise??] Jacobsdatter     2     Ugift     Deres børn           
Niels Jensen     70     Enke     Hosbondens fader     Begge lever af aftægt af gården      
Jens Lundemand     78     Enke     Konens fader     Begge lever af aftægt af gården      
Dorthe Jensdatter     46     Ugift     Konens søster     Vanfør, nyder pension af Colding hospital      
Søren Pedersen     34     Ugift     Tienestefolk     Tienestefolk  = servants    
Esche Sørensen     20     Ugift     Tienestefolk     Tienestefolk      
Maren Berentzdatter     25     Ugift     Tienestefolk     Tienestefolk

regards
Arne
    

Hi Arne, thank you!  Yes, I saw that Census record and it would be so helpful if this was my Niels Jacobsen because of the extra family members in the house at the time (ie: grandfathers Niels Jensen and Jens Lundemand) but I put it aside because without a birth record for Niels Jacobsen I cannot be sure this is him.