Possible confusion over the parents of Peder Jensen (1784-1860)

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

In looking at the translations in my recent post about Jens Olsen I am second-guessing the parents that I have for Peder Jensen.

This is what I know about Peder Jensen (my 4th great-grandfather):

He died 3 Nov 1860 age 77 in Gryderup, Boeslunde, Slagelse, Sorø, Denmark here bottom entry: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=148462#148462,24534191

On the 1834-1860 Census he is living at Gryderup, Boeslunde, Slagelse, Soro, Denmark.  He states on the Census records that he was born in Hemmeshøj, Slagelse, Sorø, Denmark.

Year:   FT-1834   Source reference:   49   
Cadastre/Address:   en Gaard   
Household No:   23   
Name:   Peder Jensen      Gender:   M   
Age:   50      Civil status:   Gift   
Occupation:   Gaardmand   
Parish:   Boeslunde   District:   Slagelse
Shire:   Sorø   Place name:   Gryderup Bye
Source entry No:   C7200   Record No.:   901

Peder Jensen             50     Gift          Gaardmand      
Birthe Rasmusdatter     43     Gift          hans Kone      
Hemming Pedersen     16     Ugift          deres Barn      
Birthe Pedersdatter     12     Ugift          deres Barn      
Maria Pedersdatter     9     Ugift          deres Barn      
Johanne Pedersdatter 6     Ugift          deres Barn      

He married Birthe Ramusdatter 11 Nov 1814 here 3rd entry on the left #1115: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=203270#203270,38552116

They had 5 children.  4 are noted in the 1834 Census and daughter Ane Pedersdatter, born 25 Nov 1820 in Boeslunde.

What I am realising is that I think I chose the wrong Jens Olsen as his father.  In the other post, Ole points out that there were 4 Jens Olsen's living in Hemmeshoj.  At first, I thought Peder Jensen's parents were Jens Olsen who married thirdly to Karen Olsdatter (see other post about Jens Olsen).

But the more I look at the Boeslunde marriage entry for Peder Jensen I am starting to think that Peder Jensen's parents were not Jens Olsen and his 3rd marriage to Karen Olsdatter but it looks like Jens Olsen (son of Ole Diderichson) and Anne Pedersdatter (daughter of Peder Nielsen) which means Ole had the right 1797 Census record as follows:

Must be him here in 1787
Sorø, Slagelse, Hemmeshøj, Erdrup Bye, Hemmeshøj, 46, FT-1787, C5283
Jens Olsen             26     Gift     Hosbond     Gaardbeboer       
Ane Peersdatter     32     Gift     Madmoder           
Peer Jensen            3     Ugift     [deres Børn]           
Kisten Jensdatter    1     Ugift     [deres Børn]           
Nels Rasmusen      27     Ugift     [Tienestefolk]     Landsoldat       
Birte Hansdatter    23     Ugift     [Tienestefolk]

I find the family again in the 1801 Census:
Jens Olsen             40     Gift     huusbonde     bonde og gaardbeboer      
Ane Pedersdatter     44     Gift     hans kone           
Peder Jensen             17     Ugift     deres børn           
Kirsten Jensdatter     15     -     deres børn           
Johanne Jensdatter    9     -     deres børn           
Ane Jensdatter      7     -     deres børn           
Jens Pedersen             19     Ugift     tjenestekarl

Does it make sense that Peder Jensen's parents are Jens Olsen and Ane Pedersdatter? 

[Grethe Leerbech]

Hey Rebecca

I think you are right. the father to peder jensen is Ole Didrichsen and Ane pedersdatter.
But it is not the marriage it is also the baptism of Peder 25 april 1784. And there are not others born it that year in this churchbook. o

On "opslag 14" under no. 192 you'll find Birthe Rasmusdatters baptism 20 november 1791, the last on the left page.
also it is written, that she married Peder Jensen Ols son. nr. 1115

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=203270#203270,38552058


mvh
Grethe

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thank you so much Grethe.  That is what I was also thinking.  Everything matches to my Peder Jensen being the son of Jens Olsen and Ane Pedersdatter.

[Ole Westermann]

Rebecca

Here's the proof that you have the right father Jens Olsen in Erdrup:

Levying rolls (I didn't start from the beginning ca 10 years earlier)
1803 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17308,746350
10 - 6  Father: Jens Olsen - Peder - born in Erdrup - 17 - 64¾" - in Erdrup
Soldier 1806 K.R. (Kronens Regiment)

1806 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17317,749367
6 - 4 Peder - nothing new

1809 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17329,752509 right
4 - 4 Peder - now at the regiment

1812 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17339,755026 right
4 - 3 Peder - now at home - and Soldier 1815 Kron. (Reg.) 3/3 unmarried
     which means that he is attached the regiment, but at home
     and he moves to 83 A406 (Lægd 83 (Boeslunde) with no A406) (search a roll with the letter A)

1816 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17354,758007 down left
A406 - 341 Peder - now in Gryderup - from 58-3
     1815 Soldier Kronens Reg. 3/3 - finished service, unmarried
     Left: Farmer proved at the sess.1816

1819 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17365,760378 left
341 - 283 Peder - in Gryderup - finished as infanterist etc.

And by the way Jens Olsen in Erdrup dies Oct.20, 1827 - age 67
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8944-6NX5?i=157&cc=2078555 nr 14


mvh Ole

[Inger Toudal]

Re: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=203270#203270,38552116 - No 1115

- it's an alphabetical index of the inhabitants of Boeslunde parish, made in the years 1822 -1829, covering the period 1731-1829:

https://www.sa.dk/daisy/arkivserie_detaljer?a=boeslunde+sogn+&b=&c=&d=1&e=2018&f=&g=&h=&ngid=3045600&ngnid=3045603&heid=1554958&henid=1554958&epid=&faid=&meid=&m2rid=&side=&sort=&dir=&gsc=&int=&ep=&es=&ed=

The info about Peder:

Name: Peder, son of Jens, Ole Didriksøn' son, and 1st wife: Anna, Peder Nielsøn's daughter

- moved out: farmer in Gryderup

Birth, year and place: 1784, 24 Apr.  Erdrup, Hemmeshøj

Remarks: confirmed Hemmeshøj 1800,  married 1st time 11 Nov. 1814, to No 192

His confirmation: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115856#151263,25125793 - right page, No 6

- Peder Jensen, ibidem [= Erdrup]  Age: 16
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

You probably have these censuses for his wife:

Sorø, Slagelse, Boeslunde, Gryderop, , 5, FT-1801, C1184
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Rasmus Peder Jürgensøn     56     Gift      huusbonde      selveier gaardbeboer       
Karen Andreas Hansøn     54     Gift      hans koene             
Maren Rasmus Pedersøn     17     Ugift      deres barn             
Birthe Rasmus Pedersøn     10     Ugift      deres barn             
Peder Niels Jensøn     20     Ugift      tieneste folk             
Hans Niels Jensen     17     Ugift      tieneste folk 

Sorø, Slagelse, Boeslunde, Boeslunde, Gryderop, , FT-1787, C5287
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Rasmus Pedersen     42     Gift      Hosbond      Bonde og Gaardbeboer 
Caren Andresdatter     39     Gift      Madmoder             
Maren Rasmusdatter     3     Ugift      Datter af første ægteskab             
Friderich Hansen     21     Ugift      [Tieneste Folk]      National Soldat       
Maren Hansdatter     16     Ugift      [Tieneste Folk]             
Jørgen Rasmussen     13     Ugift      [Tieneste Folk] 

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Inger Toudal

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Rebecca

Here's the proof that you have the right father Jens Olsen in Erdrup:

Levying rolls (I didn't start from the beginning ca 10 years earlier)
1803 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17308,746350
10 - 6  Father: Jens Olsen - Peder - born in Erdrup - 17 - 64¾" - in Erdrup
Soldier 1806 K.R. (Kronens Regiment)

1806 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17317,749367
6 - 4 Peder - nothing new

1809 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17329,752509 right
4 - 4 Peder - now at the regiment

1812 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17339,755026 right
4 - 3 Peder - now at home - and Soldier 1815 Kron. (Reg.) 3/3 unmarried
     which means that he is attached the regiment, but at home
     and he moves to 83 A406 (Lægd 83 (Boeslunde) with no A406) (search a roll with the letter A)

1816 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17354,758007 down left
A406 - 341 Peder - now in Gryderup - from 58-3
     1815 Soldier Kronens Reg. 3/3 - finished service, unmarried
     Left: Farmer proved at the sess.1816

1819 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17365,760378 left
341 - 283 Peder - in Gryderup - finished as infanterist etc.

And by the way Jens Olsen in Erdrup dies Oct.20, 1827 - age 67
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8944-6NX5?i=157&cc=2078555 nr 14


mvh Ole

Ole, thank you, thank you, thank you!  I have such a hard time with the levying rolls for some reason.  I just have not been able to get the hang of researching the pages without spending hours and hours.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Re: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=203270#203270,38552116 - No 1115

- it's an alphabetical index of the inhabitants of Boeslunde parish, made in the years 1822 -1829, covering the period 1731-1829:

https://www.sa.dk/daisy/arkivserie_detaljer?a=boeslunde+sogn+&b=&c=&d=1&e=2018&f=&g=&h=&ngid=3045600&ngnid=3045603&heid=1554958&henid=1554958&epid=&faid=&meid=&m2rid=&side=&sort=&dir=&gsc=&int=&ep=&es=&ed=

The info about Peder:

Name: Peder, son of Jens, Ole Didriksøn' son, and 1st wife: Anna, Peder Nielsøn's daughter

- moved out: farmer in Gryderup

Birth, year and place: 1784, 24 Apr.  Erdrup, Hemmeshøj

Remarks: confirmed Hemmeshøj 1800,  married 1st time 11 Nov. 1814, to No 192

His confirmation: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115856#151263,25125793 - right page, No 6

- Peder Jensen, ibidem [= Erdrup]  Age: 16


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Inger Toudal

Inger!  Thank you for all the links!

ETA: I logged into Daisy but I cannot seem to get the alphabetical list to work?

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

1816 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17354,758007 down left
A406 - 341 Peder - now in Gryderup - from 58-3
     1815 Soldier Kronens Reg. 3/3 - finished service, unmarried
     Left: Farmer proved at the sess.1816

mvh Ole

Ole, I wonder why he is unmarried in 1816 when I know he married Birthe Rasmusdatter 11 Nov 1814 in Boeslunde?

Bottom left #192 Birthe Rasmusdatter: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=203270#203270,38552058

[Ole Westermann]

The correct year of the roll is 1815, so probably the superintendent hadn't got the info about his marriage.
I followed him in the rolls until

1830 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17435,783477 top left
        162-128 He is finally dismissed at the session 1831

Ole

[Inger Toudal]

ETA: I logged into Daisy but I cannot seem to get the alphabetical list to work?

It's the same book that you've found under church records: Kontraministerialbog 1731 - 1829.

For some reason, you cannot access the alphabetical index via Daisy.

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Inger

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

The correct year of the roll is 1815, so probably the superintendent hadn't got the info about his marriage.
I followed him in the rolls until

1830 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17435,783477 top left
        162-128 He is finally dismissed at the session 1831

Ole

Thank you Ole.  That explains it.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

ETA: I logged into Daisy but I cannot seem to get the alphabetical list to work?

It's the same book that you've found under church records: Kontraministerialbog 1731 - 1829.

For some reason, you cannot access the alphabetical index via Daisy.

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Inger

Oh, okay, that makes sense.