Does marriage record say where the groom is from?

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Hello,

I have a marriage record for Jacob Jacobsen Lading and Margrethe Jacobsdatter 4 Dec 1793 Ørting, Hads, Arhus, Denmark.  According to the information I have, Jacob Jacobsen should come from Steensby, Kalvehave, Bårse, Praesto but I have been unable to locate him in the 1787 Census at that location.  He was married previously to??

Marriage left side 2nd from top: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=161619#161619,27156432

Jacob Jacobsen Lading dies age 76 on 10 Apr 1833 Ørting, Hads, Arhus, Denmark but his death record reveals nothing new.

Death record #2 1833: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=173871#173871,29251938

The information from the 1801 Census gives his birth year around 1768 but his death age of 76 means a birth year of 1757.  I originally had a birth year of "about 1768" for him until I found his death record.

Year:   FT-1801   Source reference:   363   
Household No:   56   
No of marriage:   2   
Parish:   Ørting   District:   Hads
Shire:   Aarhus   Place name:   Ørting Bye
Source entry No:   B2958   Record No.:   276

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Jacob Jacobsen             33     Gift       Mand     Jordløs Huusmand og Grøftegraver       
Margrethe Jacobsdatter     36     Gift             Hans Kone            
Jacob Jacobsen             6     Ugift     Deres Børn            
Maren Jacobsdatter         1                 Deres Børn     

Does the marriage record reveal where he is from?  Any ideas on where to locate his birth location?

The birth record for his daughter, Maren Jacobsdatter, might help.  Maren was born 8 May 1800 in Ørting, Hads, Arhus, Denmark.

Maren Jacobsdatter birth bottom right: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=161619#161619,27156298       

[Helmer Christiansen]

Jacob's epithet "Lading" is the name of a parish 43 km north of Ørting.
At the wedding ceremony in 1793 Jacob Jacobsen is a widower and coachman at the vicarage. No epithet.
How sure are you that Jacob are from Kalvehave? Kalvehave is very far from Ørting (270 km).
Untill 1800 unmarried men of the peasent class were bonded to the administative district were they were born (stavnsbånd).

[Ole Westermann]

He is here in 1793 levying roll
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17833#17833,916675 right
A95 - Jacob (father: Jacob Staldmand?*) - born i Ladding - age 23 - 62¾" - now in Ørting        *stable man?
From lægd No 58 in Skanderborg Amt**
Landsoldat siden 1791 in 2. Jydske Reg. 5.Afdeling No 67

**1792 in https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17831#17831,916222
               59-45  Jacob

His 1. wife Karen Michelsdatter died Oct.26, 1793 - buried Nov.1 - age 40

Ole

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Jacob's epithet "Lading" is the name of a parish 43 km north of Ørting.
At the wedding ceremony in 1793 Jacob Jacobsen is a widower and coachman at the vicarage. No epithet.
How sure are you that Jacob are from Kalvehave? Kalvehave is very far from Ørting (270 km).
Untill 1800 unmarried men of the peasent class were bonded to the administative district were they were born (stavnsbånd).

Hi Helmer,

I was not sure about his birth location at all.  It came from someone else but all information until I saw that was that he must come from or around Ørting.

I did not realise that peasant class men were bonded to the district so thank you for the link about that.  I learned something new.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

He is here in 1793 levying roll
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17833#17833,916675 right
A95 - Jacob (father: Jacob Staldmand?*) - born i Ladding - age 23 - 62¾" - now in Ørting        *stable man?
From lægd No 58 in Skanderborg Amt**
Landsoldat siden 1791 in 2. Jydske Reg. 5.Afdeling No 67

**1792 in https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17831#17831,916222
               59-45  Jacob

His 1. wife Karen Michelsdatter died Oct.26, 1793 - buried Nov.1 - age 40

Ole

Thank you so much Ole.  I was going to check the levying rolls but thought I was looking for a needle in a haystack not knowing where exactly my Jacob Jacobsen came from.

So that 1793 levying roll gives him a birth year of around 1770 which is closer to the 1768 birth year that I originally had.  I am starting to wonder if the death record I have is for a different Jacob (Jacobsen is not written) Lading in Ørting because that makes a birth year of around 1757 which is too large a gap from around 1770.  Since the surname is not given, other than Lading, it could be a different Jacob.

ETA: I cannot make out where Rasmus and Jacob are living on the 1792 levying rolls?

The only thing that makes me think the death record in 1833 is for my Jacob is that his wife, Margrethe Jacobsdatter, is a widow on the 1834 to 1850 Census.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

I found a birth for a Rasmus Jacobsen born 30 Aug 1761 in Lading which would give him about the right age of 30 in 1792 for the levying rolls but the father is Jacob Nielsen and I do not see a mention of "Staldman" in the birth record.

Birth upper left: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124708#165905,27870804

Unfortunately, I have been unable to locate a birth around 1768 for Jacob (he is 7 years younger than Rasmus) in Lading to a Jacob Nielsen.

I also found a birth for Mette Jacobsdatter in 1753 and the Jacob in this birth has a surname that begins with an "S" and does not look like a standard surname but I cannot decipher it.

Mette birth upper left: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124708#165905,27870794

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

This military levying roll seems to have a different version of the father's last name.  Sons Rasmus, Niels and Jacob are on the 1789 roll in Akjær.  Is Niels 26 or 36?

57, 58 and 59

Levying roll here lower left side: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17827,915273

[Ole Westermann]

In the 1789 roll the fathers name is still 'difficult' - Stoermand? - and I don't think it's his real surname.
Rasmus at 28 is working at the big manor Frijsenborg
Niels at 36 in Giedved? ... 12 years Ma.. ... goes out of the roll*

*he is the key to solve the problem:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=165905#165905,27870794 left
1753 Dom. Sexages. Jacob Nielsens child in Lading NIELS carried by ....the Fisher's. Witn: Ras(mus) Basse, Karen Nielsd., Ingeborg Mort...

Marriage 1752 at https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=165905#165905,27870630
Dom. 19 post Trin. betrothed Jacob Nielsen and Mette Rasmus Basse's - married Dom. 25 post Trin.

Then they get RASMUS in 1761 and a son JENS in 1766 (ops.391) carried by his mothers sister (moster) Bodild in Hammel
But the baptism of JACOB ca 1768 is simply not there ! Must have been forgotten.

Here is the burial of his father in 1779 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=165905#165905,27870827 left
Dom. 11 post Trinit. Begravet Jacob Stormand i Ladding æt 60? Aar gl

From where he got the name Stormand (big man) is blowing in the wind.

Ole

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thanks for sorting that out Ole!  I also think the birth record for poor Jacob was just missed.

Why can I not find any family members in the 1787 Census?  Was Kjær treated different in the Census?

Also, there were 2 sons by the name of Niels born to Jacob Nielsen.  I have not found a death record for the 1st Niels Jacobsen so this might be a situation where there were 2 sons by the name of Niels living at the same time?  This is why I wondered the age of the Niels in the levying roll because it could have been Niels #1 age 36 or Niels #2 age 26.

Niels Jacobsen Lading
25 Feb 1753 • Lading, Sabro, Arhus, Denmark

Niels #1: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124708#165905,27870794

Ane Marie Jacobsdatter Lading
13 Jul 1755 • Lading, Sabro, Arhus, Denmark

Ane Marie: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124708#165905,27870796

Death Ane Marie Jacobsdatter Lading
2 Nov 1755 • Lading, Sabro, Arhus, Denmark

Rasmus Jacobsen Lading
30 Aug 1761 • Lading, Sabro, Arhus, Denmark

Rasmus: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124708#165905,27870804

Niels Jacobsen Lading
2 Dec 1764 • Lading, Sabro, Arhus, Denmark

Niels #2: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124708#165905,27870808

Jens Jacobsen Lading
4 May 1766 • Lading, Sabro, Arhus, Denmark

Jens: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17124708#165905,27870810

Jacob Jacobsen Lading
About 1768 • Lading, Sabro, Arhus, Denmark

[Ole Westermann]

I have seen that before with 2 siblings with the same name - senior & junior.
But as the youngest Niels is not mentioned in the 1789 roll, he has probably died.

The brothers seem to have left the area at the 1787 census. - Prob. somewhere in Århus - Skanderborg - Viborg amt.

Ole