Andresen deaths

[Susan Loftus]

Could someone please help me establish the death dates of some of my relatives.
They are:
Kristinee Maree ANDRESEN born 20/6/1831
Andreas Nissen ANDRESEN born 22/7/1834
Casper Mortensen ANDRESEN born 1/7/1838
Jette Marie ANDRESEN born 7/5/1840
Johannes Jensen ANDRESEN born 20/2/1847
They are the children of Johannemarie (Casperdatter) and Jens Christensen ANDESEN and I think they were all born at Mogeltonder.
Thank you very much
Susan

[Inger Toudal]

I suppose this is the family in the 1835, 1845, and 1860 censuses:

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Slesvigsk), Bønderbye Dorf, Kathengeb., 4, FT-1835, C9992
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Jens Christian Andresen     27     Verheir.            Taglöhner        
Johanna Maria Mortensen     32     Verheir.            seine Ehefrau        
Kiersten Mari Andresen     2     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder        
Andres Kissen Andresen     1     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder  

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Slesvigsk), Bynderby, Kathenhaus, 5, FT-1845, C6107
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Jens Christian Andresen     38     Verheir.            handelt mit Schafen      K. Mögelt.  
Johanne Maria Martinsen??     42     Verheir.            seine Frau      Ballum A. Riepen  
Andreas Nissen Andresen     11     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      K. Mögelt.  
Casper Martensen Andresen     7     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      K. Mögelt.  
Christine Marie Andresen     14     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      K. Mögelt.  
Karoline Katrine Maria Andresen     4     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      K. Mögelt.  
Johann Kristian Andresen     2     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      K. Mögelt.

Cathrine Marie Caroline was born 17 Aug. 1840, and Johan Christian 31 Sep. 1843:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484604#237154,45125081 - right page

Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Slesvigsk), Togholm Jord, et Hus, 7, FT-1860, D7836
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Jens Andersen     57     G      Dagleier            Møgeltønder  
Johanne Marie Andersen     59     G      hans Kone            Sjergsted  
Johan Christian Andersen     17     U      deres Barn            Møgeltønder  
Johannes Andersen     13     U      deres Barn            Møgeltønder
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Tønder, Tønder, Højer og Lø, Møgeltønder (Kongerigsk), Møgeltønder en Bye, 101, en Gaard, Fattig og Arbeidsanstalt, 181-F2, FT-1845, C5863
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
- - - - - - - - - -
Jette Marie Andresen     5     Ugift            Almisselemmer      her i Sognet
- - - - - - - - - -

Jette Marie died 15 Oct. 1846: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484604#237154,45125081 - right page

Parish registers: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/geo/geo-collection/5
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Index to the civil register for Møgeltønder: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484544#237117,45120398

Johanne Marie died 16 Dec. 1875: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16521060#38308,5401150 - No 36

Jens Chr. Andresen died 1 Jan. 1880: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16521060#78074,13449207

- the death was reported by his son Casper.

Civil registers for Sønderjylland: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/geo/geo-collection/3
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Johanne Marie left behind husband and 4 children: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202087,38310803 - No 16

Jens Christian: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202087,38310756 - No 1

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Inger Toudal

[Inger Toudal]

Johanne Marie was survived by her husband and 4 children (2 in America, 1 in Anstalten, 1 at home) and 2 grandchildren
of her deceased son Andr. Jensen in Tønder, living in Aabenraa with their mother, who has remarried.

- Anstalten could be the poor- and workhouse, where Jette Marie was staying at the time of the 1845 Census.

- the child living at home could be Casper, who reported the death of his father in 1880.

The son Andreas was, for some reason, given the surname Jensen:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484604#237154,45125102 - left page

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202083,38309681 - No 14

- but seems he was called Andreas Nissen Andresen.

He died 22 Oct. 1864 in Tønder: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484632#237183,45128611

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484632#237180,45128124 - left page

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217394#202767,38442524 - No 98
- Andreas Nissen Jensen ..., survived by his wife Christina, née Jochimsen, and 2 children: 1) Jens Christian 2) ?? Catharina Maria.

Daughter Cathrine Marie Caroline, b. 1840, married Niels Christian Pørksen 28 Apr. 1866:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202084,38310545  - No 5

1860 Census, Møgeltønder parish, Toghale: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid16427573 - see Original Source

Censuses taken in Sønderjylland between 1864 and 1920 were destroyed by the Prussian authorities after having been used
for statistical purposes, so it's difficult to search for persons in that area and period.  

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Andresen deaths
« Dato: 05 Feb 2019 - 08:49 »
   
Hello again - I am very grateful for the information that Inger has given me about my relatives (the Andresens).
It appears that I may not get all the death details that I need because of the destruction by the Prussian authorities of the Censuses between 1864 and 1920.
In your reply Inger, you mentioned that 2 of the sons went to America. How can I track down which sons they were and the details of their emigration?
My G Grandfather, Johan Christian Andresen, the 5th child, (B. 31/9/1843, D. 19/6/1925 in Maryborough Qld. Australia) arrived in Australia in 1865. His surname became Anglicised to Andersen.
Could this be a similar time to the two other brothers going to the USA and could it have been to avoid the Schleswig War?
I would really appreciate anyone's opinion on this or any other relevant information/dates that you can give me.
Many thanks and tak
Susan

Actually, in the death record of Johanne Marie, it's stated that 2 children were in America. One of them is probably daughter Cathrine Marie Caroline,
who married Niels Christian Pørksen (or Pörksen) in 1866. I found her in the list of departures from Møgeltønder parish in the churchbook:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217094#202092,38311614 - No 5

- she left for America in April 1869.

Her husband:

Südtondern, , Aventoft, Aventoft, -, 43, FT-1845, C5850
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Christian M. Pörksen     34     Verheir.            Fischer      Aventoft 
Maria Borg     25     Verheir.            seine Ehefrau      Aventoft 
Jens Pörksenm     13     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      Aventoft 
Johann Christian Pörksen     11     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      Aventoft 
Martin?? Pörksen     9     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      Aventoft 
Hanna Pörksen     7     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      Aventoft 
Niels Pörksen     4     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      Aventoft
Sünke K...?? Pörksen     3     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      Aventoft 
Christian Mä....?? Pörksen     1     Unverheir.            ihre Kinder      Aventoft 

Unfortunately, I cannot find other members of the Andresen family in the list of departures from Møgeltønder parish.

The Second Schleswig War ended 1864, but many males left in order to avoid joining the Prussian Army. They probably wouldn't report their departure
to the authorities.

My reading Anstalten should probably be Australien 'Australia', meaning that 2 children were in America, 1 in Australia, and 1 at home in December 1875,
when their mother Johanne Marie died.

It's not any easier to decipher the handwriting in the other copy of the churchbook:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17217090#202081,38309352 - No 15

There are indexes to Møgeltønder parish register: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484604#237154,45125081

- Tønder parish register: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484632#237180,45127912

- Møgeltønder civil register (1874-): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484544#237117,45120397

- and Tønder civil register (1874-): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=18484490#237088,45117000

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