Henrik Schøllermann & 3 sons, Bække sogn, Ribe amt, 1700s

[Lisa Petersen]

Hej

I am looking for more information on this family in Bække sogn, Anst herred, Ribe amt:

Henrik Schöllermann in Asbo, Bække sogn
1.  son Peder, døbt 12 S. p. Trin. 1732, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17121576#159955,26891541
2.  son Julius Henrik, døbt 3 Adv. 1735, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17121576#159955,26891544, døde i Veerst sogn, Ribe amt, Miseri. 1789 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17121576#159956,26891619
3.  son Hans Jørgen, døbt Chr. Himm. 1739, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17121576#159955,26891546, døde i Egtved sogn, Vejle amt, 4 p. Trin 1809 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17122284#161199,27081348

I think that Julius and Hans used the last names Pedersen and Møller, sometimes Pedersen Møller, but not Henriksen or Schøllermann, but I would like more information about the family to be sure of this.

I would like to know
where Henrik came from   (the name is German??  is this too early for potato Germans?  was there a wave of German immigration before then?)
where and when Henrik died
name of mother and where and when she died
what happened to the son Peder
if there were other children
etc.

Sources I have used:
Nygaards Sedler  http://ddd.dda.dk/nygaard/visning_billed.asp?id=346138&sort=e
the excellent church book transcriptions by Jens Erik Starup  http://www.horsboel.dk/kirkebog/kirke.html
familysearch
danishfamilysearch
old Danish newspapers
censuses and lægdsruller
skøde og panteprotokoller
Koldinghus amt skifteprotokoller
and now I am looking at the other church books in the area, not transcribed by Jens Erik Starup

Is there anything else I should be looking at?

På forhånd tak.

Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.

[Niels Just Rasmussen]

Hej

I am looking for more information on this family in Bække sogn, Anst herred, Ribe amt:

Henrik Schöllermann in Asbo, Bække sogn
I would like to know
where Henrik came from   (the name is German??  is this too early for potato Germans?  was there a wave of German immigration before then?)

If you see the Danish Census of 1803 for Holsten there are a lot of "Schölermann"
It could very well be that he is from that area and not a German immigrant.

As far as I know the Holsten Church books are not available online for free?
https://www.slaegtogdata.dk/vaerktoejer/slaegtsforskning-i-udlandet/tyskland/slesvig-holsten

If the sons used the name Pedersen (which should have been Henriksen normally) and Peder was the first-born son in 1732 -> it could be that the fathers name was Henrik Pedersen Schölermann?
If they also used the name Møller, perhaps Henrik (Pedersen) Schölermann was a miller?

[Grethe Leerbech]

Hej Lisa

I think Henrik Schøllermann was only in Asbo, Bække sogn from 1732- 1740, in that period he figures in the churchbook, also his wife at theri own childrens baptism and also as godfathers and -mothers.
They are not found dead, and if its the 2 sons dead you have found I am a litlle doubtfull.


I don't thjink they are from germany . His name is Henrik Henriksen Skjøllermand.  I think they have been poor,
The lawprotocol end in 1736 so i will look through the next one to see if there is more, ex. that he left Asbo.

I have given you a link, where some lawsuits about him is mentione : It is the "tingbog" lawprotokol fram 1718-1737

http://geltzer.dk/tingbog/1726.php
 

in 1733 8/ no. 453, 6/10 no. 455D and 6/10,20/10 no. number.
But it says: no. 453 regimentswriter for Mette Bojesdaughter in Asbo against Peter Henriksen Skjøllermand.
20/10  = Mette was on her way to Anders Ulf when she was attacked by henrik Skjøllermand, Skjøllermands wife came out an parcipitated in the assault, And skjøllermand himself came out in his bare shirts also paritcipating. Mette was hart beated, but she didn't have serious damages.  The case ended in settlement

in 1736 no. 510 20/4 is Henrik involved in a big arson and saves a widow and her 7 chuildren, which the pyromaniac blame him for

1736 24/1 no. 712
Henrik Skøllermands wife and children are accused for stealing at their neighbour Anders pedersen. The "police" has searched their home and found a small cabbage head, and asked the little girl to bring it over to the nighbour, His wife didn't want it but asked the girl to go home and cook it and eat it. Skøllermand is warned, but his wife has threathend the "police"- bymændende" with a  small sword. It is said they also have stolen so,me small twigs and small peats.


There are 2 books about Bække sogn and its history, but they are in danish and not on the Net.
Vald. Andersen: Bække sogn, Kvist:  Bække sogn they are most appriciated.


greetings
Grethe

[Grethe Leerbech]

I found something more.

in Koldinghus amts kopibøger over (LAV B6C 139), Indkomne breve , politi- og justitssager 24/1-1736 are there some reports from the bailiff Jens Andersen, Viuf concerning the thefts matter and a inspection of a man in asbo. .
When they "bymændende" searched Henriks house and didn't found anything gave Hans Ulf Henrik Skøllermand some naughty beat of "something". Henrik became ill and complaint to the squire and bailiff , who went out to inspect the matter. He found Henrik in bed with bad headache and with 2 big open holes in his forehead and one which has begun to grow skin on.
The Bailiff gathered the "bymændende", they are a kind of local police, and asked them, and they told him, that Hans Ulf had become upset that they didn't find anything and had beaten Henrik. Hans himself said: "I have given Henrik a blow with my hand" (box on the ear) . None of the other men wanted to comment this.
Hans Ulf and the" bymænd" got a warningnever to beat anyone in service,  but the report doesen't tell what happened with Henrik or what he has said to Henrik.

I think that Hans Ulf has had a spicked stick, such one was common to use in connection with especially the pigs and sheeps, to drive them home . It is a stick where one hammered 3-5 nails at the end so that they stuck out about 2-4 cm.  The pigs were loose in the forrests, where they eated to seed from the beeches and oaks.

Also I would like to tell you that Andst-laugs herred, Bække and veerst was one of the largest "Rytterditrikter" rider districts for the royal army of horse soldiers. But i don't think that Henrik was one of those, but his brother ole was. dan

mvh
Grethe

[Lisa Petersen]

Hej Grethe

Thank you so much for finding Schjøllermands (with a j, a spelling I did not think to search for) in the Tingbøger extractions.  I have found some other ancestors of mine in the politi- and justitsprotokoller, so it is not a surprise to find more.  That is, if these Schøllermanns are my relatives, I still do not have the exact connection.

If these legal troubles happened in the 1730s, perhaps that is a reason Ole Krabbe would leave home, take a new name, and join the army.  He enlisted in 1737 as Ole Krabbe.

I searched the other tingbøger and found some mentions of Ole Krabbe in the 1760s. 

I will follow all these leads, because I hope to find new information about Ole Krabbe and the Schøllermanns, and somehow connect them all (or not).

Thank you for the help with the tingbøger!

Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.