Schaldemose - family connections to Canada thru Iceland

Startet af Carren Ross, 14 Sep 2012 - 14:48

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Carren Ross

Hello - I am looking for information on Johann Hannibal Schaldemose maybe born 1813-1814 at Vor Frelsers Kirkesogn. I would like to know who his parents and ancestors are and where from. I am very curious as to the origin of the name Schaldemose. Johann immigrated to Iceland, married and then immigrated to Canada. I believe anyone here (Canada) with this last name - is related!  ::)

Paul Løndahl-Smidt

Hi Carren,

Johan Hannibal Schaldemose was born 28 Apr 1814 and baptized 29 May 1814 in Vor Frelser, Sokkelund, København, opslag 12.  His father is Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose but I cannot read his mother's name.

Sincerely,
Paul
Fåborg    Barløse

Lissa Pedersen

#2
Hi,

This could be the family (the father with a new wife) in 1840. I, too, cannot read the name of the mother at Johan's birth (could be something like Elie Fxxx xxx):

kbhv, København (Staden), Rosenborg Kvarter, Vognmagergade i Huset No 76, , Første Sal, 539, FT-1840
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
H. B. Schaldemose 54  Gift  Urtekræmmer, pt. Oldermand  
Sophie Magdalene Schaldemose født Bohn 42  Gift  Hans Kone  
Sophie Marie Christine Schaldemose 28  Ugift  Deres Børn  
Emilie Maria Schaldemose 11  Ugift  Deres Børn  
Cathrine Elisabeth Schaldemose 11  Ugift  Deres Børn  
Wilhelm Herman Schaldemose 9  Ugift  Deres Børn  
Frederike Juliane Schaldemose 8  Ugift  Deres Børn  
Hannibal Jørgen Schaldemose 5  Ugift  Deres Børn  
Augusta Magdalene Schaldemose 1  Ugift  Deres Børn  
Fredrich Julius Ringsted 25  Ugift  Urtekræmmer Svend  
Emil Theodor Stendrup 15  Ugift  Urtekræmmer-Lærling  
Peder Nielim Weitorp 53  Ugift  Tienestefolk  
Crestine Dorthea Rath ?? 28  Ugift  Tienestefolk  
Helena Elisabeth Rørdahl 22  Ugift  Tienestefolk

More censuses with the family can be found here: www.ddd.dda.dk.

I show the 1845 census, as this will tell the birth place of the persons:

kbhv, København (Staden), Rosenborg Kvarter, Vognmagergade No. 76, , Stuen og første Sal, 557 F2, FT-1845
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Hannibal Schaldemose 59  Gift  Urtekræmmer Haderslev
Sophie Bohn 45  Gift  hans Kone Kiøbenhavn
Emilie Schaldemose 16  Ugift  deres Børn Kiøbenhavn
Cathrine [Schaldemose] 16  Ugift  deres Børn Kiøbenhavn
Wilhelm [Schaldemose] 14  Ugift  deres Børn Kiøbenhavn
Frederiche [Schaldemose] 12  Ugift  deres Børn Kiøbenhavn
Hannibal [Schaldemose] 10  Ugift  deres Børn Kiøbenhavn
Augusta [Schaldemose] 7  Ugift  deres Børn Kiøbenhavn
Hans Berg 25  Ugift  Urtekræmmer Svend Kjøbenhavn
Theodor Stendrop 19  Ugift  Deto [Urtekræmmer Svend] Kjøbenhavn
Peter Westorp 59  Ugift  Tienestekarl Westorp i Ringkjøbing Amt
Johanne Alling 22  Ugift  Tienestepiger Alling paa Bornholm
Henriette Larsen 20  Ugift  Tienestepiger Kiøbenhavn

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen

#3
Here is a link to a website - mentioning most likely a halfbrother of Johan: http://www.geni.com/people/Hannibal-J%C3%B8rgen-Schaldemose/6000000004233290011

Another page with a halfsister: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=svendborg&id=I12801

This link gives the name of Johan's mother (Olie Funk) (Hannibal Bendix and Olie Funk got married in 1811): http://gw0.geneanet.org/amigo2?lang=fr;pz=leif+ole;nz=hain;ocz=0;p=hannibal+bendix;n=schaldemose

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen

Olie (Olia) Funch (Funk) could be here (she is mentioned as a niece (brother's daugter):

kbhv, København (Staden), Øster Kvarter, Øster Kvarter, , Matr. 378, 1125, FT-1801
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Johannes Mørk -  Gift Husbonde Kontorist hos Grosser Schehier?? og er paa en Reyse ...  
Nelle Kirstine Mørk 30  Gift Hustru  
Olia Funch 14  Ugift Broder Datter  
Maren Sørensdatter 21  Ugift Tjenestepige  
Johannes Dalov 18  Ugift Logerende  
Peter Dalov 13  Ugift do [Logerende]

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen

#5
On www.arkivalieronline.dk - Vor Frelser parish, Sokkelund district, København county you will on opslag No. 67 (1801-1813) find the birth of Johan's sister Sophie Marie Christine Schaldemose - born 18 Oct 1812 to Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose and wife Olie Funk.

One of the witnesses was a Friderich Abraham Schaldemose - could be a relative.

Lissa

Paul Løndahl-Smidt

Hi Carren,

Johan Hannibal Schaldemose's mother is definitely Olie Funk.  I found the birth of Sophie Marie Christine Schaldemose on 18 Oct 1812 in Vor Frelser, Sokkelund, København 1801-1813, opslag 67.  The name of the mother, Olie Funk, is definitely readable.

Johan Hannibal was confirmed in Trinitatis on 13 Apr 1828, 1814-1829 opslag 216 nr 5.

Hannibal Jørgen Schaldemose was born in Trinitatis on 11 Feb 1835, parents Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose and Sophie Magdalene Bohn, opslag 228 nr 38.

Sincerely,
Paul
Fåborg    Barløse

Homer Ficken

#7
Here is a family tree of Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose's second family that lists his birth and death dates and places:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=eneriis&id=I150106

It has been updated recently, and perhaps you should contact the submitter, who may not know of the earlier family.
Location:  Texas USA
Areas of interest:  Tønder county,  Brede, Daler, and Visby parishes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=-skow-

Lissa Pedersen

The marriage between Hannibal and Sophie can be found in the church book: Vor Frue parish, Copenhagen on opslag 222 (1814-1837). Hannibal was grocer and a widower, 42 yrs old, and Sophie was 25 yrs old.

Clerk Schaldemose and cemetery worker Bohn were best men.

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen

Found a Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose born 29 May 1786 in Haderslev Vor Frue parish (opslag 139 - 1778-1789), but ... parents do not correspond what is mentioned here http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=eneriis&id=I150106

I read parents: Hannibal Schaldemose and Johanna Sophia born Matthein (?).

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen

#10
Just wanted to add the 1850 census:

kbhv, København (Staden), Rosenborg Kvarter, Rosenborg kvarter, , Vognmagergade 76, første sal, 764, FT-1850
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose 64  Gift  urtekræmmer Haderslev
Sophie Magdalene Bohn 50  Gift  hans kone Kjøbenhavn
Emilie Maria Schaldemose 21  Ugift  deres datter Kjøbenhavn
Catharine Elisabet Schaldemose 21  Ugift  do. Do.
Frederiche Juliane Schaldemose 18  Ugift  do. Do.
Augusta Magdalene Schaldemose 10  Ugift  do. Do.
Wilhelm Hermann Scahldemose 19  Ugift  deres søn Do.
Hannibal Jorgen Schaldemose 15  Ugift  do. Do.
Niels Peter Jacob Liisberg 26  Ugift  urtekræmmerlærling Do.
Peter Nielsen Westorp 63  Ugift  tjenestekarl Westorp, Haderup sogn, Ringkiøbing amt
Rosa Sophie Rasmus Datter 30  Ugift  tjenestepige Frydensdals sogn, Holbecks amt

On page 19 you will find a picture of H.B. Schaldemose: http://www.hovedbiblioteket.info/Krak%20DJVU/Laugs%20historie/urtekr%C3%A6mmerforeningen%20i%20k%C3%B8benhavn%201862-1937.pdf

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen

#11
In the 1860 census you will find the Schaldemose family living at Vognmagergade 76 (corner building Vognmagergade/Slippen - Slippen doesn't exist anymore, but Vognmagergade does) - opslag 24 and 25. When trying on www.arkivalieronline (folketællinger = censuses) choose København, then Rosenborg kvarter, del II and Matr.nr. No. 67-144.

Hannibal was the owner of the house.

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen

#12
If Hannibal Bendix' parents are the ones described in my above posting, they could be here in 1801:

skanderborg, Nim, Horsens Købstad, Søndergade Nordre Side, , , 91, FT-1801
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Hannibal Schaldemoese 57  Gift Huusbonde Postmester  (= postmaster)
Sophia Mathæi 53  Gift Hans Koene  
Friderica Dorothea Schaldemose 21  Ugift Deres Børn  
Anne Birgithe Schaldemoese 17  Ugift Deres Børn  
Carl Hinrich Schaldemoese 11  Ugift Deres Børn  
Christian Møller 21  Ugift Tieneste-Folk Contoir Betient  
Peder Andersen 40  Ugift Tieneste-Folk  
Niels Rasmussen 26  Ugift Tieneste-Folk  
Dideriche Biørn 23  Ugift Tieneste-Folk  
Sara Møller 26  Ugift Tieneste-Folk

Friderica Dorothea Maria Schaldemose's birth you will find in the same church book for Haderslev as Hannibal Bendix - on opslag 50 - with same parents. However, Hannibal Bendix is not in the above census.

Lissa

Homer Ficken

Citat fra: Lissa Pedersen Dato 14 Sep 2012 - 22:37
Found a Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose born 29 May 1786 in Haderslev Vor Frue parish (opslag 139 - 1778-1789), but ... parents do not correspond what is mentioned here http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=eneriis&id=I150106

I read parents: Hannibal Schaldemose and Johanna Sophia born Matthein (?).

Lissa

I believe the author of the rootsweb listing has made an error, as he has Hannibal's mother dead five months before Hannibal was born!

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=eneriis&id=I231460
Location:  Texas USA
Areas of interest:  Tønder county,  Brede, Daler, and Visby parishes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=-skow-

Lissa Pedersen

Hi Carren,

Are you interested in what has been found?

Lissa

Carren Ross

 :D Oh my goodness, thank you ALL so very, very much. As I started to read the postings; I started to get tears in my eyes. It is so heart warming to know this information; I have searched for so long. Thank you just doesn't seem to express my gratitude. I am happy to say that my two sisters and the rest of the Sch...family here in Canada will be excited like I am. Time to put the information into my family tree and then send emails to the relatives or post to the Facebook Page - 'Schaldemose - We HAVE to be related'. Some great news! It wasn't until recently I realized this last name of ours was Danish! LOL We all thought it was Icelandic - since they had immigrated from there. Isn't the Internet marvelous.

Regelsen

Hi

I Horsens fungerede Hannibal Schaldemose i årene 1792-1803 som postmester,
og hans baggrund var dels 8 år som postskriver i København, dels 14 år som postfører i Jylland.
Venlig hilsen
regelsen

Tomas Albertsson

When did Jóhann Hannibal Schaldemose die

I am told it was in 1910 in Winnpeg but when ?
and do you have more information about Olie Funch ?

Kind regards
Tómas V. Albertsson

Lise Østerberg Bahr

#18
Hi.

Try also to look up for this in Norway. Maby via www.Krogsgaard.com where my ovn Norway/Germany/Danish fam. related via the Bahr  from Jürgensby family, Flensburg / and marriage with husband from Polen - via Bahr + Von Stemann - and this fam. via Norway- / Haderslev - von Stemann married( the Bahr/von Stemann  child) married Adam . . . von Krogh, Haderslev at Aastrupgaard/Norway, Oslo and more..


What about Hannibal Jørgen Schaldemose (1835-87) and Trine Marie Szybrowski (1840-1920) married 16.12.1898 in Søllerød,  - Karen Marie Eskesen  born 2.3.1865 look up here:  (Den Store Danske) www.denstoredanske.dk connect with the name....
Is this Family too?

Kind regards
Lise Østerberg Bahr

Christian Konstmann Autzen

Schaldemose = may be from this:

Niels Pedersen Schaldemose - born Februar 1753 in Schaldemose-huset ("Schaldemose-house"), Gelsted-Rørup sogne, Odense amt, opslag 226

Greatings
Christian
Min slægt: Autzen, Konstmann, Nansen, Hegelund, Sønberg, Matzen, Schmidt, Kruse, Wolf. Min hustru's slægt: Mærsk, Fogh, Møller, Hark, Lund, Aaskou, Blom, Dethlefsen, Beyer, Troels Winther.

Tomas Albertsson

Thanks for the posts

parents to Hannibal Bendix Schaldemose (1786-1899) are

Hannibal Schaldemose  and Johanna Sophia .....! Matthein? I am not sure of the text and will post a help to read it. 

Amt Oversigt/Haderslev/Haderslev/Haderslev Vor Frue sogn/Kirkebøger/Kirkebog 1778 - 1789 Haderslev Vor Frue/Opslag Nr. 139


Best wishes
Tómas

Tomas Albertsson

Hi

I got the text with a help.

This entry is in German

29 may, bapt. 1. Juni 1786,
Hannibal Bendix, des Postführers Hannibal
Schaldemose hieselbst und Johanna Sophia geb.
Matthein zu Gunderslebholm in Seeland ehel. Sohn
Gev.:
Johan Adam Berngruber
Eric Hoffgaard
Martha Hiort

Father: Hannibal Schaldemose was the driver/holder of a mail-coach
Mother: her origin was Gunderslevholm on Sealand

Christian Konstmann Autzen

Min slægt: Autzen, Konstmann, Nansen, Hegelund, Sønberg, Matzen, Schmidt, Kruse, Wolf. Min hustru's slægt: Mærsk, Fogh, Møller, Hark, Lund, Aaskou, Blom, Dethlefsen, Beyer, Troels Winther.

Tove Laursen

I have also relatives named Schaldemose.

Do you know this book?

"Familien Schaldemose" written by Karl Schaldemose Larsen.

I have seen it at The State Library i Aarhus.

The eldest members of the family is
Niels Mogensen and his wife Maren Sørensdatter. Niels died 1730.
They have 4 children, two of them are:
Anne Nielsdatter married to Niels Pedersen and Christian Schaldemose, his wife unknown.
Anne 1701-1778 and Niels 1702-1784. They had 3 children:
Peder Nielsen Schaldemose 1726-1790
Christian Schaldemose 1743-1807
Hannibal Schaldemose 1744-1803

Tove Laursen



Venlig hilsen
Tove Laursen

Tomas Albertsson

Dear Tove

I know about the book but haven't seen it my self.

Thanks
Tómas

Lise Østerberg Bahr

Hi.

Maby you can enter (connect) via  the BERNGRUBER web.site too.


Kind regards
Lise Østerberg Bahr

Shaun Hobsonn

#26
I had someone translate some of the book 'Familien Schaldemose' by Karl Schaldemose Larson; 1st Edition 10 Feb, 1943, 2nd ed. 15 August 1954 (revised), 3rd ed. 15 April 19??

Page 2 under the heading "Skallemosehuus i Rørup Song [Skallemose house in Rørup parish]

It states "Dette hus, Skallemosehus, finder vi første gan nævet i 1730, men det ligger der stadig, godt nok in 3n ombygget skikkelse, det var et fæstehus under Søondergårde, der hørte under Erholm, som igen hørte ind under Wedellsborg, Husset ligger ved en korsvej, lige sydøst for gården Kelshøj og det har Matr. nr. 1 E." [Skallemosehus is first mentioned in 1730, but it is still exists, however in a rebuilt state. It was a tenant house under the Søndergårde farm which again was part of the estate Erholm which was a part of the estate Wedellsborg. Skallemosehus is located by a cross road south east of the farm Kelshøj. It has the matrikel No 1 E.]

From this information I understand the family received their surname from the name of the house located in the Rørup parish. From the pages translated it does not indicate the place name in Denmark. From public trees created by others on the internet I have come across the location as Odense, Denmark or Gelsted, Odense, Denmark. I would appreciate if someone could provide me with the location this house would be located in Denmark.

I, also, would love to see a photo/painting/sketch of the Skallemosehus if anyone knows if one exists.

Thank you.

Christian Konstmann Autzen

Min slægt: Autzen, Konstmann, Nansen, Hegelund, Sønberg, Matzen, Schmidt, Kruse, Wolf. Min hustru's slægt: Mærsk, Fogh, Møller, Hark, Lund, Aaskou, Blom, Dethlefsen, Beyer, Troels Winther.

Tove Laursen

On the map you can see, where The Skallemose House was located.

When you have the name "Aarup" you maybe can found it on a map of Denmark.

I only have a photo of the new house, built about 1900. It is in the book, that I mentioned earlier.

Greetings
Tove Laursen
Venlig hilsen
Tove Laursen