Lars Carstensen & Karen Pedersdatter, parents of Ellen Larsdatter b. 26 Oct 1799

[Anne-Lise Godfrey]

My ggg gm is Ellen Larsdatter (b. 26 Oct 1799 in Troense Bregninge Sogn, Sunds Herred, Svendbor Amt - I hope I have done this correctly, if not, I apologize) and her parents are Lars Carstensen & Karen Pedersdatter.  I would like to know how to find out the parents of Lars and Karen; I'm assuming they come from the same place as where their daughter Ellen was born.  I would like to know their marriage date and where they were married and where they came from and of course their parents, and if possible, any information on their parents.  Thank you for any help.  Anne-Lise

[Helmer Christiansen]

Are you sure of "Carstensen" ?

There is just one girl aged 1 in the 1801 census in Bregninge parish named Ellen Larsdatter. Her parents are
Lars Krestensen and Karen Pedersdatter:

All persons in the household
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense Nederste Bye, , Fam.no: 252, FT-1801, b3573
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
RecNo: 1117 Lars Krestensen    30    Gift   mand    inderste, lever af søefart, er søelimitt   
RecNo: 1118 Karen Pedersdatter    36    Gift   hans kone [his wife]      
RecNo: 1119 Anne Malene Larsdatter    4    Ugift   deres børn [their children]      
RecNo: 1120 Chresten Larsen    2    Ugift   deres børn      
RecNo: 1121 Ellen Larsdatter    1    Ugift   deres børn

Lars Krestensen/Chrestensen/Christensen is a sailor, born around 1771
Karen Pedersdatter born around 1765

[Ib Hansen]

Hi,

This could be the parents

Samtlige personer i husstanden
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense Bye, 26de, 30, FT-1787, B3279
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Karsten Nicolaisen   54   Gift   Hosbond   Stoder?? Foged   
Ane Rasmusdatter   55   Gift   Madmoder      
Erich Carstensen   17   Ugift   Sønner af 1ste?? ægteskab      
Lars Carstensen   14   Ugift   Sønner af 1ste?? ægteskab      
Morten Erichsen   35   Gift   Konens søn af 1ste ægteskab   Søefarende   
Ane Marie Persdatter??   26   Gift   Sønnens?? Kone      
Ane Margrete Mortensdatter   1   Ugift   Sønne Datter      


Samtlige personer i husstanden
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Bregninge, 3die Familie, 180, FT-1787, B3279
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Peder Jensen   49   Gift   Hosbond   Gaardmand   
Ane Hansdatter   27   Gift   Madmoder      
Lars Pedersen   15   Ugift   Søn af 1ste ægteskab      
Nils [Pedersen]   11   Ugift   dito [Søn] af samme [1ste ægteskab]      
Karen Pedersdatter   20   Ugift   Datter af samme [1ste ægteskab]      
Hans Pedersen   2   Ugift   Søn af 2det ægteskab      
Rasmus Nielsen   22   Ugift   Tieneste Karl      

Many regards
Ib

[Ralph Rasmussen]

I have Lars Karstensen and Karen Pedersdatter married in 1796, Trinity VIII.  The image is new version of 1773-1813, opslag (lookup) 70, right side.

The 1801 census deserves a good look at the original.

With luck you will find Ellen's confirmation in 1813 or 1814, with at least the father's name.

Ellen may already have been working in another parish at confirmation time, as I don't see her confirmation in Bregninge in 1814-1818 (opslag 61-65 of 1813-1820).

[Inger Toudal]

It seems there's a misreading of Lars' patonymic in the transcribed 1801 census at ddd.dda.dk:

FT-1801: http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?bsid=25741#25741,2890314 - Opslag 33, bottom of page.

I read Lars Karstensen.

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[John Wrenholt]

Karen Pedersdatter dies in Dec 1861.  (1860-1875 Bregninge, Sunds, Svendborg new version ops 328). She is listed as being 100 years old.

I believe this is her in the 1850 census and that she is with her son Anders Larsen. Her birth place is listed as Bjerreby. 

Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, , 56, FT-1850, C2661
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Christian Rasmussen   54   Gift      Kusk For Kammerherre Juel Paa Valdemar Slot   Aabenraa
Maren Pedersdatter   46   Gift      Kone   Hesselager
Jørgen Mortensen   81   Enkemand      Almisselem   Bregninge/tåsinge
Cathrine Pedersen   47   Ugift      Daglejerske   Landet
Peder Andersen   13   Ugift      Søn   Bregninge/tåsinge
Anders Larsen   48   Gift      Arbejdsmand   Bregninge/tåsinge
Karen Christensen   33   Gift      Kone   Bregninge/tåsinge
Jens Peder Larsen   15   Ugift      Søn   København
Lars Larsen   4   Ugift      Søn   Bregninge/tåsinge
Rasmus Larsen   1   Ugift      Søn   Bregninge/tåsinge
Karen Pedersdatter   85   Enke      Almisselem   Bjerreby
Hans Madsen   78   Gift      Blegmand   Ærø
Johanne Rasmusdatter   48   Gift      Kone   Svendborg

[Ralph Rasmussen]

This could be Karen Pedersdatter in 1787:

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Svendborg, Sunds, Bjerreby, Waaroe Bye, 2den, 103, FT-1787, B3278
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Mikel Hansen   42   Gift   Hosbonde   Bonde og Gaardbeboer   
Anne Pedersdatter   43   Gift   Madmoder      
Rasmus Christensen   21   Ugift   hendes Søn af første Egteskab      
Christen   14   Ugift   Børn af sidste Egteskab      
Hans   10   Ugift   Børn af sidste Egteskab      
Karen Pedersdatter   22   Ugift   Tienestepige (hired girl)

In 8-9 years she could easily take a position in the neighboring parish, Bregninge.

[Inger Toudal]

Marriage 26 Jun. 1796 in Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Ny udgave), 1790-1813, opslag 23:

1796, 5te Trinit. Lars Karstensen fa Troense, og Karen Peders Datt. fra Wem-
menis. Forlov: den unge Hans Trane og og Peder Væver i Nyebye.

Vemmenæs is a place name in Bjerreby parish.

Ellen's baptism is on opslag 30 in the above church book, Anne Malene b. 20 Aug. 1796 on opslag 17,
and Chresten b. 11 Jun. 1798 on opslag 20.

Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, , 75, FT-1834, B1055
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Pos. in household:       Occupation:       
Lars Carstesen    64    Gift       Indsidder & Tømmermand    
Karen Pedersdatter    71    Gift       Kone    
Laurine Pedersdatter    16    Ugift       Plejebarn

Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, 77, et familiehuus, 160-F4, FT-1840, B1867
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Pos. in household:       Occupation:
Lars Carstensen    70    Gift       Inderste og dagleier    
Karen Pedersdatter    76    Gift       Hans kone    
Laurine Pedersen    22    Ugift       deres Pleiebørn    
Wilhelm Larsen    24    Ugift       deres Pleiebørn

Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, Et familiehus, 9, FT-1845, B1552
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Pos. in household:       Occupation:        Birth place:
- - - - -
Karen Petersdatter    81    enke       Inderste / Almisselem / Håndarb.    Bjerreby, Svendborg amt
Laurine Pedersdatter    26    ugift       Hendes datters datter [Karen Petersdatter]    Bregninge (Taasinge) sogn
- - - - -

Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense By, et Huus, 51, FT-1855, C0755
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Pos. in household:       Occupation:        Birth place:
- - - - -
Anders Larsen*    53    Gift    Fisker, Huusfader       Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Karen Petersen    38    Gift    Hans Kone       Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Jens Pet. Larsen    19    Ugift    Deres Børn, Sømand       Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Johanne Siberg    15    Ugift    Deres Børn, Steddatter       Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Lars Andersen    9    Ugift    Deres Børn       Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Rasmus Larsen    6    Ugift    Deres Børn       Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Agnette Larsen    3    Ugift    Deres Børn       Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Karen Pedersdatter    90    Enke    Huusfaderens Moder, forsørges af Fattigvæsnet       Bjerreby, Svendborg Amt

* born 21 Apr. 1802 (opslag 34)

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Inger Toudal]

According to the censuses, Lars Carstensen should be born around 1771 or 1772

Carsten Nicolaisen's son Lars Andersen was baptized Dom. Invoca. [20 Feb.] 1774 (Bregninge (Ny udgave), 1773-1813, Opslag 7, left page).

Carsten Nicolaisen's wife in Troense, 36 y old, was buried in Sep. 1775 (same church book, Opslag 81, left page). Ane Rasmusdatter is his 2nd wife.

There's no church book in Bregninge between 1733 and 1773, so no way to check, if Carsten Nicolaisen had an older son named Lars.

Lars Carstensen died 26 Mar. 1842. According to the death record, he was 75 yeas old (Bregninge (Ny udgave), 1834-1843, Opslag 169, No 7).

Age in censuses and church books are not necessarily correct.

His wife could be here:

1765, Fest. Omn. Sanct: [1 Nov.] Peder Haars ?? af Søebye D: Karen (Bjerreby (Ny udgave), 1698-1776, Opslag 139, left page, bottom).

Her confirmation 1780: Ped: Haar Dat. Karen 14 (Bjerreby (Ny udgave), 1771-1814, opslag 90, left page).

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Inger Toudal]

Correction:

1765, Fest. Omn. Sanct: [1 Nov.] Peder Haars Pb: [Pigebarn] af Søebye k: [kaldet] Karen
(Bjerreby (Ny udgave), 1698-1776, Opslag 139, left page, bottom).

At the confirmation 1780, Peder Haar's daughter Karen is also of Søby.

Inger T.

[John Wrenholt]

This site has detailed information about Peder Haar:

http://www.familiekroeniken.dk/site/person.asp?person=41410