Looking for NielsSimonsen/ Ida Hansen family

Startet af Bruce and Linda Sciffer, 28 Okt 2014 - 04:36

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Bruce and Linda Sciffer

HI everyone, We are researching Bruces family tree. His great grandfather's name was Niels Simonsen and great great grandparents names were Niels Simonsen and Bertha Katrina Lauritsen.  His great grandmothers name was Ida Elise Hansen and her parents were Hans Hansen and Anna Joanna Frederickson. Ida Elise was born around 1880 and Niels about 1870?? in Denmark so we are told. They both immigrated to Queensland Australia, Ida on the ship Ortona in 1900. We would really love to be able to find out their stories and their family history. If anyone can help us we would be really grateful. Thank you for any help

John Wrenholt

According to the Ortona passenger lists, Ida Elise Hansen was 16 years old in 1900. This appears to be her in the 1890 census records.

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Sankt Hans, St. Hans. Bagterp Hede., Hus, 22(14), FT-1890, C4525
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Hans Kristoffer Hansen   43   Gift   Husfader   Landpost   Hjørring
Ane Johanne Frederiksen   39   Gift   Husmoder      St. Olai Sogn Hjørring Amt
Louise Boline Hansen   11   Ugift   Barn      Skallerup Sogn Hjørring Amt
Mikkael Frederik Hansen   8   Ugift   Barn      St. Olai Sogn Hjørring Amt
Ida Elise Hansen   5   Ugift   Barn      St. Hans Sogn Hjørring Amt
Hansine Johanne Hansen   3   Ugift   Barn      St. Hans Sogn Hjørring Amt
Ottilie Sofie Hansen   1   Ugift   Barn      St. Hans Sogn Hjørring Amt

Bruce and Linda Sciffer

Hi, Thank you very much for your help. It was very interesting to find out that Ida Elise is one of 6 children and will hopefully help us to track the origins and family history. Thank you

Bruce and Linda Sciffer

Hi everyone if its any help we believe Niels Simonsen was born around 1870, his father or grandfather may have been a postman also named Niels. He also is believed to have been a seamen who may or not jumped ship in Australia. Thanks for any help you can provide, our family really wants to know the story

Mette Lund

Maybe this familiy?

Svendborg, Ærø, Marstal Handelsplads, Marstal Handelsplads, Pæregaardstræde 480 Matr. 605, 1, FT-1880, b8674
Navn:     Alder:     Civilstand:       Stilling i husstanden:       Erhverv:       Fødested:
Britta Catrine Simonsen f. Sørensen    42    Gift    Husmoder       Tranderup Sogn Ærø
Niels Simonsen    10    Ugift    Deres barn       Tranderup Sogn Ærø
Rasmus Hansen Peter Simonsen    6    Ugift    Deres barn       Marstal
Caroline Catrine Simonsen    5    Ugift    Deres barn       Marstal
Niels Simonsen    37    Ugift    Skipper, Husfader       Marstal Landsogn

Niels Simonsen and Birthe Cathrine Lauritsen (not "Britta Catrine" and not born Sorensen) were married in Tranderup, Ærø, Svendbog 8/5-1870. He age 27, she age 34.

The young Niels Simonsen was born in Tranderup 12/1-1870 with the above mentioned parents but before their marriage.

The Niels Simonsen, age 37 in 1880, could be:

Svendborg, Ærø, Marstal Landsogn, Landfogderiet Ærøe bondebyen Marstal, smedien, 19, FT-1845, B7121
Navn:     Alder:     Civilstand:       Stilling i husstanden:       Erhverv:       Fødested:
Johan Christian Jørgensen    32    Gift       smed    Steenstrup, Svendborg Amt
Karen Jacobsen    40    Gift       hans hustrue    Marstal sogn
Elisabeth Simonsen    10    Ugift       deres børn    do [Marstal sogn]
Jacob Christian Simonsen    7    Ugift       deres børn    do [Marstal sogn]
Hans Nielsen Simonsen    4    Ugift       deres børn    do [Marstal sogn]
Niels Simonsen    2    Ugift       deres børn    do [Marstal sogn]
Jørgen Christian Jørgensen    1    Ugift       deres børn    do [Marstal sogn]
Maren Pedersen    18    Ugift       tjenestepige    Marstal sogn
Hans Andersen West    18    Ugift       læredreng    Ollerup, Svendborg Amt
Jacob Jacobsen Liflænder    80    Enkemand       aftægtsmand, svigerfader til huusfaderen    Marstal sogn

He is born 2/4-1843 in Marstal. Father (deceased): Niels Simonsen, mother: Karen Jacobsen.

Cheers,
Mette
Med venlig hilsen

Mette Lund
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Bruce and Linda Sciffer

Hi,
Thank you all so very much for your help, we really appreciate it very much. We have another question and that is where would we look to find shipping records? we would like to find out what ship the young Niels came out to Australia on and also is there a website for births deaths and marriages that we would be able to access or do we need to go through ancestry?
Once again thank you so much
Bruce and Linda

Ellen Steen-Petersen

Hi Bruce and Linda

If the Niels in the 1880 census is the right person – it is very likely, that he 'hitch a ride' on a ship, working as crew.

In the census you can see that his father, Niels Simonsen, is 'skipper' (captain) and at that time (1880) he is away on 'Koffardifart til Persien' (Merchant navy sailing to Persia).

And Marstal – where he was born – is a sailing city (see city here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marstal.

Persons, who joined the crew on a ship, and migrated working their way, is hard to find in the migrationslist.

For finding more information on the family, you can use the Danish web-sites, which are free.

The Danish State Archives: http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/ao-forside

The censuses can be seen here:
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/
http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/

You can find tips and tricks for finding your Danish ancestors here:
http://www.mydanishroots.com/

And when (or if) you run into problems, you can just write here in this forum.

Regards
Ellen

Ellen Steen-Petersen

Hi Bruce and Linda

To give you something to start on, I will just paste, what I found in the censuses about Ida Elise Hansen and her family.

John gave you the census for 1880 (from http://www.ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp):

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Sankt Hans, St. Hans. Bagterp Hede., Hus, 22(14), FT-1890, C4525
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Hans Kristoffer Hansen   43   Gift   Husfader   Landpost   Hjørring
Ane Johanne Frederiksen   39   Gift   Husmoder      St. Olai Sogn Hjørring Amt
Louise Boline Hansen   11   Ugift   Barn      Skallerup Sogn Hjørring Amt
Mikkael Frederik Hansen   8   Ugift   Barn      St. Olai Sogn Hjørring Amt
Ida Elise Hansen   5   Ugift   Barn      St. Hans Sogn Hjørring Amt
Hansine Johanne Hansen   3   Ugift   Barn      St. Hans Sogn Hjørring Amt
Ottilie Sofie Hansen   1   Ugift   Barn      St. Hans Sogn Hjørring Amt


In this we can see, that Ida's father was a 'Landpost' (postman in the countryside), and that he was born in Hjørring on 1847.

We can find his baptism in the churchrecord for Hjørring Parish 1839-1850 (new edition) on page 32.
He is born on June 11th 1846 and christened Hans Christopher Hansen.

And we can find the family in the census:

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Hjørring Købstad, Hjørring Kiøbstad, Østergade, 211, FT-1850, C0070
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Michael Hansen   36   Gift      Pottemager, Huusfader   Hjøring
Sofie Louise Nielsen   33   Gift      hans Kone   Hjøring
Nicoline Frederikke Hansen   13   Ugift      deres Børn   Hjøring
Grethe Hansen   10   Ugift      deres Børn   Hjøring
Ida Christine Hansen   5   Ugift      deres Børn   Hjøring
Hans Christoffer Hansen   4   Ugift      deres Børn   Hjøring
Asmine?? Christine Hansen   2   Ugift      deres Børn   Hjøring


Hans Christoffer's father, Michael Hansen, was a potter, born approx. 1814 in Hjørring (the city).
His mother was born approx. 1817 also in Hjørring.

Teoretical they the marriage could be before the birth of the oldest child (Nicoline) – but at her birth record (Hjørring Parish 1814-1838 (new edition) on page 91) it is stated, that the parents are not married.

Nicoline is born on March 13th and christed Nicoline Frederikken Michaelsdatter. Her parents are listed as unmarried Sophie Lovise Nielsdatter Gudum, and alerged father of the child Michael Andreas Hansen with (working for) Potter Østrup. They don't get married before 1844 (you can find the information on familysearch - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FKQW-M8W). So they have most likely been poor.

Michael Andreas Hansen's baptism can be found in churchrecord for Hjørring Parish 1804-1814 (new edition) on page 19. He is born on May 22nd 1813. His parents are Hans Andersen and Frederikke Henrichsdatter.

Sofie Louise Nielsen's baptism can be found in churchrecord for Hjørring Parish 1814-1838 (new edition) on page 56. She was born on Sep. 17th 1817. She is christened as Sofie Louise Nielsdatter, and her parents were Tjenestekarl (servant) Niels Axelsen Guddum and Magrethe Catrine Eilersdatter.

Her parents can be found in the census for 1834:

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Hjørring Købstad, Hjøring, Fiskebakken, 28 F1, FT-1834, C5684
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv:
Niels Axelsen Gudom   53   Gift, Arbeidsmand   
Margrethe Cathrine Eilersdatter  50   Gift, hans Kone   
Asmus Nielsen   15   Ugift      deres Børn   
Trine Nielsen   11   Ugift      deres Børn


And in the census for 1855:
Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Hjørring Købstad, Fiskerbakken, 181-182, Forhuus, 329, FT-1855, D7014
Navn: Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Niels Axelsen Gudum 74   Gift   Faar fattigbidrag. forhen arbeidsmand, Gudum Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Grethe Eilers     75   Gift   Hans kone. søger erhverv som salgskone, Lybeck
Trine Nielsdatter   32   Ugift   Lever af haandarbeide. ledigt tyende, Hjørring
Grethe Kirstine Jørgensen   4   Ugift   Datters barn, Hjørring


The census for 1855 also states the place of birth. We can therefor se, that Niels Axelsen Gudum is actually born in Gudum Parish in Aalborg county, and Magrethe Catrine Eilersdatter is born in Lübeck, which today is in Germany but which at that time was Danish.

In the census for 1787 we can find Niels and his mother (his father is dead):

Aalborg, Fleskum, Gudum, Gudum Bye, , 26, FT-1787, B3716
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Position in household:    
Kiersten Nielsdatter   40   Enke   Konen   Huusbeboer   
Niels Axelsen   6   Ugift   Hendes Søn


Regards
Ellen

Ellen Steen-Petersen

And something on Niels Simonsen's family:

From Mette's entry you can see, that Niels Simonsen was born 12/1 1870, and his parents were Niels Simonsen and Birthe Cathrine Lauritsen.

From the census we can see, that his father was a skipper (captain).

His father, Niels Simonsen, was born in Marstal on 2/4 1843, and his parents were Niels Simonsen (*1812) and Karen Jacobsen (*1805).

The family is here in the 1840 census:
Svendborg, Ærø, Marstal Landsogn, Marstal Sogn Bondebyen, ?, 17, FT-1840, C8195
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:
Niels Simonsen   28   Gift      Bysmed   
Karen Jacobsen   35   Gift      Hans kone   
Jacob Christian Simonsen   3   Ugift      Deres barn   
Hans Nielssen Simonsen   1   Ugift      Deres barn   
Sofie Elisabet Simonsen   6   Ugift      Deres barn   
Christen Poulsen   45   Ugift      Smedesvend   
Jacob Jacobsen   16   Ugift      Smedelærling   
Mette Sofie Jacobsen   15   Ugift      Tjenestepige   
Jacob Jacobsen Liflænder   73   Gift      Smed Aftægtsmand   
Lisbet Albertsen   53   Gift      Hans kone


Niels Simonsen profession is the city blacksmith.
It look like he might has taken over the job from his father-in-law, Jacob Jacobsen Liflænder, who is listed as the second last as blacksmith on pension.

This is confirmed by their Marriage record (Marstal 1833-1839 (New version) p. 134.
Marriage date June 1st 1834.
Niels Simonsen, smedesvend, 23 år fra Vester Hæsinge I Fyn nu i landsbyen hos Jacob Smed.
Karen Jacobsen, 26 år, Jacob Smed's datter fra Landsbyen.


[Niels Simonsen, blacksmith, 23 years, from Vester Hæsinge on Fyn, now in the village at Jacob Blacksmith and Karen Jacobsen, 26 years, the daughter of Jacob Blacksmith in the village].

This is most likely Niels' parents and sister at Vester Hæsinge:

Svendborg, Sallinge, Vester Hæsinge, Vesterhæsinge Bye, et huus, 65, FT-1834, B6383
Navn:       Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    
Simon Nielsen      64   Gift      huusmand og dagleier   
Elisabet Cathrine Jensdatter   56   Gift      hans kone   
Johanne Simonsdatter   15   Ugift      deres datter

Bruce and Linda Sciffer

HI Ellen, Mette and John,

Thank you, thank you, thank, you all so much for your help and generosity. We will certainly be looking up these websites and tracking what we can. You have given us so much information,once again thank you all

Regards, Bruce and Linda