Two Poul Augustinusen born one 1794 and 1795 which is my 3rd great grandfather?

Startet af Paul Olesen, 26 Jan 2015 - 19:02

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Paul Olesen

I have a problem that I cannot solve. I am hoping that someone might be able to give me some help or advice. My 2nd great grandfather was Jens Christian Poulsen – born 05 Nov 1825 Vejle, Holmans, Skærup. His father and Mother were, Poul Augustinusen and Karen Jensdatter Lomholt. They were married in Skærup - 22 June 1822. Both age 26. I found the birth record of Karen and I am trying to find the birth record of Poul my 3rd great grandfather. All of the censuses for Skærup, 1834 through 1860, have his birth year as 1795. His death, 1 July 1871, in Skærup list his age as 75 ½ and his birth in Skærup. When I looked for the birth record I found two Povel Augustinusens born at about the same time.

One Povel on 16 March 1794 (Parents Augustinus Povelsen and Maren Ebbesdatter of Skærup)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-33572-2591-62?cc=2078555&wc=M5K2-162:357517301,360389201,360445201,360446601

Another Povel on 15 Nov 1795 (Parents Augustinus Povelsen and Maleane Thomasdatter of Skærup)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-33572-2029-99?cc=2078555&wc=M5K2-162:357517301,360389201,360445201,360446601

I am inclined to believe that the Nov 1795 Povel is my 3rd great grandfather because his birth is in 1795 but the other Povel birth March 1794  is so close that it could also be him. I have looked at the Godparents but I cannot find any clue as to which is the correct Povel. Even though I have no real proof other than the tenuous one of the age of birth calculated from the census can I assume that the Nov 1795 Povel is my 3rd great grandfather? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Paul

Ralph Rasmussen

Bits, but perhaps not answers.

In the 1787 and 1801 censuses, the age was recorded as year entered into rather than years fully attained.

One Augustinus Povelsen was buried in June 1796, aged 35 (image 155), while the other lived at least through 1801 when he lost his wife Marlene Thomasdatter (image 202).

The Maren/Marlene difference should show up if Poul Augustinsen names one of his children after his mother.


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Ralph Rasmussen
<1850 Hammer herred, Præstø

Inger Toudal

#2
Hi Paul,

Since Poul Augustinussen and Karen Jensdatter have a daughter called Magdalene/Malene,
I would think he is the son of Maleene Thomasdatter, i.e. born 1795.

Vejle, Holmans, Skærup, Schiærup Bye, 9de Familie, 9, FT-1801, B8347
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       
Augustinus Povelsen    34    Gift    Husbonde    Selveier Gaard Mand    
Malene Thomasdatter    35    Gift    Hans Kone       
Povel Augustinusen    5    Ugift    Deres Sön
      
Thomas Augustinusen    4    Ugift    Deres Sön       
Ole Augustinusen    2    Ugift    Deres Sön       
Søren Jørgensen    23    Ugift    Tienste Folk    National Soldat    
Jens Jonasen    14    Ugift    Tienste Folk       
Kirsten Nielsdatter    17    Ugift    Tienste Folk       
Povel Augustinusen    63    Gift    Husbondens Fader    Faaer Aftægt af Gaarden    
Marie Olesdatter    62    Gift    Huusbondens Moder

Vejle, Holmans, Skærup, Damkjær Bye, en Gaard, 36, FT-1834, C4917
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:       
Poul Augustinussen    39    Gift       Gaardmand    
Karen Jensdatter    39    Gift       hans Kone    
Mads Poulsen    12    Ugift       deres Børn    
Jens Kristian Poulsen    9    Ugift       deres Børn    
Magdalene Poulsen    6    Ugift       deres Børn    
Ane Margrethe Christensdatter    19    Ugift       Tjenestepige

Vejle, Holmans, Skærup, Sønderlund, en Gaard, 54, FT-1850, C3197
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:        Birth place:
Peder Madsen    33    Gift       Gaardmand, Huusfader    Her i sognet
Malene Poulsdatter    22    Gift       Hans kone    Her i sognet
Anne Marie Pedersdatter    4    -       Deres datter    Her i sognet
Poul Augustinussen    55    Gift       Aftægtsfolk    Her i sognet
Karen Jensdatter    55    Gift       Aftægtsfolk    Her i sognet
Mads Poulsen    27    Ugift       Tjenestekarl, Konens broder    Her i sognet
Magdalene Jensen    17    -       Tjenestepige    Høien sogn, Veile Amt

Poul Augustinussen born 1794, I suppose, is here. He has a daughter called Maren:

Vejle, Holmans, Skærup, Schiærup Bye, 14de Familie, 14, FT-1801, B8347
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:
Marcus Pedersen    39    Gift    Manden    Jordløs Husmd.. gaaer i Dag Leie    
Maren Ebbesdatter    37    Gift    Hans Kone       
Ebbe Augustinusen    11    Ugift    Mandens Stedsön       
Povel Augustinusen    7    Ugift    Mandens Stedsön       
Odsle Augustinusdatter    12    Ugift    Hans Steddatter       
Stinus Marcusen    4    Ugift    Hans egen Sön       
Odsle Hansdatter    68    Ugift    Den 1ste Mands Moder    Spinder og binder Vanter

Vejle, Tørrild, Nørup, Nørup By, en gaard, 51, FT-1845, c1578
Name:     Age:     Marital status:       Position in household:       Occupation:        Birth place:
Poul Augustinussen    53    Gift       Gaardmand og Smed    Skjærup sogn Vejle amt
Grethe Christensdatter    42    Gift       Hans kone    Bredsten sogn Vejle amt
Johannes Conrad Poulsen    16    Ugift       deres børn    Her i sognet
Hans Poulsen    13    Ugift       deres børn    Her i sognet
Maren Poulsen    11    Ugift       deres børn    Her i sognet
Holger Olivanus Poulsen    4    Ugift       deres børn    Her i sognet

Best regards,
Inger Toudal
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Inger Toudal

Paul Olesen

I had not thought of the children's names but that makes sense. I will try to remember that for next time. Many Thanks
Paul