Trying to Identify My Great Grandfather Jens Peter Laursen-Feedback??

[Lynn Christiansen]

I am trying to track down my great grandfather Jens Peter Laursen. In my grandmother's birth entry, he is identified and a location is associated with him:

1882-1885 Aarhus Domsogn, Hasle, Aarhus img 231 entry 21
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-33668-16077-35?cc=2078555&wc=M943-RLX:n496991918

Year: 1883
Numb: 21 with remark: uægte {illigetimate}
Birth date: 25 Januar
Name: Marie Jensine Hansen
Christening: Hjemmedøbt d 18 Febr 1883 af Pastor Bohn, Publ i Frue Kirke 7 Oktober 1883
Parents: Ugift Anna Dorthea Hansen( f: i Aarhus 11/9 61) idl Barnefader Tjener Jens Peter Laursen i Østergaard Teglg Nyvej 3  21 Aar
Witnesses: non given
Index:
Remarks: Timaanersdagen før Nedkomsten opholt Moderen sig I Aarhus (hos Marketenter N. Madsen)

In the 1925 Iowa Census he is identified. My great grandmother is also named. My grandmother Americanized her name when she immigrated to the US.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-40271-28632-77?cc=2224537&wc=9QXK-166:1067234602,1067245202

Mary Christensen in the Iowa, State Census Collection, 1836-1925
1925 Iowa Census Pottawattamie County Ward 4

Name: Mary Christensen
[Mary Christiansen]
[Mary Larson]
Age: 41
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birth Place: Denmark
Residence Date: 1 Jan 1925
Residence Place: Council Bluffs Ward 4, Pottawattamie, Iowa, USA
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse: Alfred Christian{sen}
Father: Peter Larson
Father Age: 65 {1925-65=1860}
Father Birth Year: abt 1860
Father Birth Place: Denmark
Mother: Anna Hansen
Mother Age: 64
Mother Birth Year: abt 1861
Mother Birth Place: Denmark
Parents' Marriage Place: Denmark

It is interesting to note that it indicates that Jens Peter and Anna are married although I have not been able to locate a marriage.

From these two sources I get Jens Peter Laursen's approximate birth year, about 1860, and that he was living in Østergaard when my grandmother was born.

I located a 1860 Census for Aarhus with a Jens Peter Laursen as a 1 year old child:
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid8748377

Census Year 1860

Name  Jens Peter Laursen
Gender  Male
Age 1
County  Århus
Hundred  Framlev
Parish  Sjelle
Placename  Sjelle By
Born date  1859
Born Place  (Her i sognet) {Here in Aarhus}
House Role  Deres Søn
Marital Status  Single
Family No  2
Matr No  et Huus
Record No  18
Source reference  75
Religion  Lutheraner

Household  Rec. no. Name Sex Age Born Year Marital Status Information
12  Laurs Sørensen  Male  33  1827  Married  Skomager, Huusfader
13  Birthe M. Jensen  Female  33  1827  Married  hans Kone
14  Søren Laursen  Male  11  1849  Single  Deres Søn
15  Ane Marie Laursen  Female  8  1852  Single  Deres datter
16  Niels Laursen  Male  5  1855  Single  Deres Søn
17  Jenssine Laursen  Female  3  1857  Single  Deres datter
18  Jens Peter Laursen  Male  1  1859  Single  Deres Søn


I find this family again in the 1880 Census without Jens Peter Laursen:
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10708392



I find him by himself in the military in the 1880 Census
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9575854

Census Year 1880

Name  Jens Peter Laursen
Gender  Male
Age  21
County  Århus
Hundred  Hasle
Parish  Århus Købstad
Placename  Århus Købstad 19
Born date  1859
Born Place  Sjelle Sogn
Business  Menig
Marital Status  Single

Family No-
Matr No  -/fodfolkscasernes Mandskabsbygn.
Record No  24792
Source reference  358-359/kort Nr.1470
Religion  Lutheraner
Comments  20. Batt. 4 Comp. Alder er 21

Household  Rec. no. Name Sex Age Born Year Marital Status Information

24792  Jens Peter Laursen  Male  21  1859  Single  Menig {Private, in military}


My questions are:
1)   Is there a database where one can determine when someone was released from the military? My grandmother's birth entry states that her alleged father was Tjener.
2)   Is there a way to determine which Østergaard he was from as there are 4 Østergaards in Aarhus Amt?
3)   ANY OPINIONS-----IS THIS MY JENS PETER LAURSEN??????

Any feedback and opinions would be appreciated----thank you....

[Ellen Steen-Petersen]

Hi Lynn

I don't know if you are aware, but the baptism of Marie Jensine Hansen is also listed in the churchrecords for Vor Frue, as she is baptised in Vor Frue. In this record the witnesses are stated.

Århus Vor Frue, Hasle, Århus. Ny udgave. View 291.
1883 no 0.
Født: 25. januar i Domsognet
Marie Jensine Hansen
Døbt: 18. Februar d.A. hjemmedøbt. D. publ. 7. Oktober s.A.
Forældre: Ugift Anne Dorthea Hansen og udlagt Barnefader Jens Peter Larsen.
Faddere: Snedker Petersens hustru. Pigen Ane Hansen. N..mager J.P. Høyer. Tømrer Søren Knudsen. Snedker H. Petersen, Nygade 16,  Barnets Plejefader.


/Ellen

[Lynn Christiansen]

Ellen---

I am aware of that https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-33689-4025-10?cc=2078555&wc=M943-TX2:n1230170257 and found it interesting that she would be entered in BOTH the DomSogn and Vor Frue parish registers with different comments in the Remarks column.

Unfortunately, neither provide a lot of data on her father.

Hence, at this time my grandmother's paternal line stops at only knowing his name and a few details. Based on those details and subsequent Census information taken in Iowa in 1925 I am trying to determine who he might be.

Any help would be appreciated....Thank you....

[Ellen Steen-Petersen]

Hi Lynn
I'm not an expert on military records, but this could be your Jens Peter Laursen:
http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?epid=16480943#19610,1525259
The record states he is drafted for the 20 Bte (which is the same as in the census) and dismissed on 30/7 80 (July 30th 1880).

As for the occupation and the location, since the word 'tjener' is used (and not 'tjenende') it indicates that he is a domestic servant and not just a farmhand. The location could therefore be the manor Østergaard http://www.danskeherregaarde.dk/manorholder/oe/oestergaard-%28aarhus%29/ejerhistorie.aspx which is in Thulstrup parish.

/Ellen

[Lynn Christiansen]

Thank you Ellen---

Can any one identify and explain the hand written comments in the Bedtegninger section?

[Brian Lauridsen]

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Denmark:_Abbreviations_in_Army_Levying_Rolls

1879 and 5/9 84 are dates. Not sure about the other numbers.

Brian

[Ellen Steen-Petersen]

Hi Lynn
As I can find out the E.K.5 means he has been drafted for the Infratry (in 1879).

5/9 84 Utspas means that on Sep 5th 84 he is 'unfit/unable to service'.
Teoretically that could be due to age - but normally that would not happen before he was 38 years old.
But it does tell us that in 84 he stil belong to the list in the same parish.

/Ellen

[Ellen Steen-Petersen]

Hi Lynn
I do not think your great grandparents were married.

Marie's konfirmation is in the Churchrecords for Århus Vor Frue:

Århus Vor Frue 1896-1900, Konfirmation 1897.
View 67 nr. 23.
Marie Jensine Hansen
Parents: Ugift [unmarried] Anna Dorthea Hansen, Møllesti 35.
Birth/Baptism: Domsogn 25. januar 1883, 18. februar 1883. Fremst. i Frue Kirke 7. Oktober 1883

If they had been married - even after her baptism - they would both have been listed under parents.

/Ellen

[Lynn Christiansen]

Thank you Ellen---

I could not find a marriage entry and your statement regarding the Confirmation information sort of confirms to me that they did not as the Confirmation took place some 14 years after her birth. One would think that they would have married by then IF they did marry.

I doubt it though.

Again, Thank you for your feedback and insight....

[John Damm Sørensen]

Hi,

I think the key to find Jens Peter Laursen lays in "Østergaard Teglg" which translates to Østergaards Brickworks.

The Danish Brickworks are well documented and the only Østergaards Brickworks is one in the Vellev Parish in Viborg County.

The Jens Peter Laursen from the 1860 census was born in Sjelle Parish and you find him in the lookup #21 in the church records from 1853-1881 Sjelle, Framlev, Aarhus. He was born March 21, 1859.

Best
John

[Lynn Christiansen]

Appreciate the feedback and information...I do believe even more so now that this is my long unfound Great Grandfather.

Thank you.